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Lemmy devs are looking to make votes public. Thoughts? (github.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I really wanted to post this on [email protected] but I'm not trans myself and I didn't want to take up their space.

Basically, the devs of Lemmy are looking to make upvotes public to everyone. Right now, I believe voter identities are known to server admins and mods.

I don't have a strong opinion on this myself, either for or against, as I write this comment, but I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing, frankly as a cishet dude.

But also... I've kinda lost trust in Nutomic making decisions about the software that won't make things worse for trans people since his comments on the Olympics were made public. Dessalines has (so far) at least tolerated Nutomic's transphobia despite whatever prior rhetoric. Frankly, I am suspicious that trans people don't matter to the Lemmy dev team...to be charitable...so I'd really like to hear your thoughts.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Are the admins/mods willing to be extra trigger happy with bans if/when this is used to harass people?

Or will this just chase lots more users to hexbear? thonk

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

no more half measures walter

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Looks like the response is split between "no" and "why aren't votes anonymous to begin with"

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Afaict that's just how activitypub works, it's not designed to make anything anonymous. Votes are public to anything federates with the instance already, you just can't access them through the lemmy ui. But they're not anonymized in the activity stream.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The proposal is instead of federating each vote, each instance sends an anonomized vote count which is the total of their users. That and tokenizing users in vote objects. That and the piefed method: https://lemm.ee/post/40074176

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

My thoughts? My opinion don’t matter for shit but frankly idgaf either way. I dont care who sees what.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Voting is bad. One thing we should #take from stormfront is old Reddit just got this feature recently where when you scroll past a post it turns down the opacity a bit. Really helps to see what you've read and what is new

[-] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The cognitive dissonance between the responses to this recommendation and the same people lambasting Twitter for removing this is wild

[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

i-think-that I think that removing public likes from X was a good idea.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I'd like it to be an opt-in thing so my crushes don't notice me upbearing all their posts

[-] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Guys if you want them to add public votes please make a GitHub account (I know I know) and give a thumbs up on the issue or a comment.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

make votes only visible on your own comments. I might elaborate further but likely wont.

[+] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

There isn't really a way to do this. Because they need to be synced between servers, those servers have to know where the votes are coming from to decide what to show/count properly/provide at least rudimentary defense from spam.

Consider hexbear feds with dbzero, zero feds with world, hex doesn't fed with world.

If a post lives on dbzero how should hexbear know what votes to display to its users? How should that a particular user already voted be remembered between page visits?

you could try some sort of cryptographic proof of trust but you're basically reinventing block chain and making running lemmy an environmental disaster.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

When each user joins, a random voting user is created. When a user votes, their vote request is denied and a random voting user from the pool upbears the post. This way, nobody can see who votes for whom and it is cross compatible with all other instances, even ones that publish votes. The only issue is it creates a very large amount of junk users. This has already been implemented, sans the random pool on piefed.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

How does the server remember that the user has voted? Say I upvote this, random_user:1337_h4ck3r does the vote. For my UI to show me I've voted a record must be stored about my votes.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Good question, I'd need to dig around a bit to agree that.

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