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International Chess Federation, FIDE, has released new guidelines targeting transgender players. The guidelines would strip trans men's titles, and potentially bar trans women from playing.

In recent months, the discussion surrounding transgender participation in sports has intensified. Several sports organizations have ruled that transgender women cannot participate in their competitions. This trend has expanded beyond traditional sports like swimming, touching even disc golf and billiards, based on perceived “advantages” of transgender athletes. The reaction to trans people in competition has grown to include non-sporting contests like beauty pageants and Jeopardy! after seeing transgender success. Now, FIDE, the world’s foremost international chess organization, has introduced guidelines that would revoke titles from transgender men and bar many transgender women from competing, asserting that trans women "have no right to participate.”

The regulations, reported online by French transgender FIDE master, Yosha Iglesias, spell out a list of policy changes that apply to transgender competition in chess. Among the policy changes:

Transgender men must relinquish their women-category titles after transitioning.

Transgender women can keep their previous titles.

Transgender women have “no right to compete” in the women’s division.

Transgender women will be “evaluated” by the FIDE Council on if they will be allowed to compete in a process that may take up to 2 years.

FIDE can mark transgender players as “transgender” in their files.

Gender changes must be “comply with the player’s national laws” and may include birth certificate documents (despite many nations refusing to change transgender birth certificates)

See the main page on transgender participation from the organization:

The unveiling of these regulations drew widespread ridicule, with numerous individuals challenging the notion that transgender women possess a “natural advantage” in chess. According to the chess news site Chessbase, the women’s category in chess exists to encourage increased participation among women, not because women inherently perform at a lower level in the game. Thus, the typical arguments against transgender women competing don't hold water, as it's implausible to claim that transgender women have an unfair advantage.

This isn't the first instance of scrutiny regarding transgender participation in non-physical competitions. In 2022, transgender Jeopardy champion Amy Schneider set the record as the highest-winning woman in Jeopardy history. Following her success, several anti-trans voices online claimed she unfairly took the title from “real women,” suggesting that transgender women possess an inherent advantage in trivia over cisgender women.

The regulations are harmful and discriminatory towards transgender individuals. The logic behind revoking titles from transgender men transitioning from the women’s category is not explained anywhere in the document. Additionally, these rules would delay transgender women from competing for up to two years while their gender is examined, and could even prohibit them indefinitely. Given that the usual "unfair advantage" argument doesn't logically apply in this context, these regulations appear to unfairly target transgender individuals while sidestepping even the usual arguments against trans competition.

The enforcement of these policies remains unclear. Iglesias took to Twitter, asking, "Am I woman enough?" She listed the FIDE council members, sharing photos that depict the majority as older cisgender men, adding, "these people will decide." The documents don't specify how decisions regarding a transgender member's participation will be made. Until further clarity, transgender international chess players face uncertainty about their continued involvement in the sport.

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[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Transgender men must relinquish their women-category titles after transitioning.

Transgender women have “no right to compete” in the women’s division.

they really buried the lede here. ALL trans people are banned from participation in the women's league.

mfw chess is more transphobic than fucking starcraft. they've managed to outdo the gamers.

edit: oh the other bit is even more infuriating. trans women aren't allowed to compete at all until the people who wrote these horrific rules approve their transition progress by verifying fucking birth certificates.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Transgender men must relinquish their women-category titles after transitioning.

From my understanding, AFAICP (assigned female at initial chess playing) get retconned to match their current chess-assigned gender. Anyway, death to FIDE of course. khomeini

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The hard truth:

Studies have shown that being good at chess doesn't mean you're highly intelligent, it just means you really like chess.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Chess players are very easy to outsmart. They never expect a pawn to move diagonally 4 spaces and punch them in the face.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

chess players really are the highest stage of international rules-based order dweebs

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ever see a smug reddit-logo user compare something (from international politics to lobbying to warfare to "DRUMPF is in for it now" non-news) to chess? Same people, usually.

They also sometimes unironically end a post with "checkmate." smuglord

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

we're getting such a good mileage out of :smuglord: it has become my favorite emoji

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Wouldn't this mean the FIDE thinks that AMAB brains are "superior" to AFAB brains? Isn't that extremely fucked up?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes, they're not even being TERFS here, just flat out going full mask off with the misogyny alongside the transphobia.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TERFshit is just misogyny? astronaut-2 astronaut-1 always was

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

No, this goes further than brains. It's pure essentialism.

These people believe that there is some man-essence that is created during conception and is then projected to onto your body, defining who you are.
Even if you show them brain scans for transpeople that refutes everything they say, it doesn't matter. This goes all the way back to the idea of immutability of the soul and such nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well except for saying transmen aren't allowed their titles anymore retroactively unless they detransition. I guess cause people would get mad seeing Kai McMichaels listed as a Woman's Cup Champ in 2016 or something.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why the fuck is there gender segregation in a fucking board game in the first place

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago

Chess has historically been Magic The Gathering before MTG, and so tournaments were full of smelly dudes who snubbed women's participation and radiated misogyny. The solution at the time was chess affirmative action.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

There is a case that promoting a womens' division could be a way to get women as a whole interested in the game, since they'll have an automatic foothold that way.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Basically, Chess began as a nobleperson's game, and both genders were highly rated. In the 17th and 18th century these filted down to the upper-middle classes via the Coffee Shops and Salons (one mostly male, the other gender neutral but mostly female-led) where it became the preferred game of the failson, and from there percolated into the closed gentleman's clubs of the regency.

After the reaction of the Congress of Vienna, the Salons and Coffee shops were suppressed. Women's rights, already under attack by wrong-headed "Natural Law" Bourgois Liberals, were sharply curtailed and even reversed due to the politically radical nature of these salons. With Coverture restored and implied property rights sharply curtailed, the upper and upper middle class women who previously led active social lives were removed, save for courtesans.

So chess stopped being a game women played in public, while in the Gentleman's clubs and the men-only restaurants it became the prime pastime of men with no day job. Chess institutions were formed by men-only institutions, allowed only men to train, and allowed only men to compete. Women eventually formed their own associations as society liberalised in the 1870s/80s, and championships in the late 1920s but these were segregated, underfunded, and regarded as an occasional pastime rather than a full time pursuit.

It wasn't until the 1960s and women liberation that the idea that women could play Chess competitively even occurred to people, at least outside the Soviet Union. There were legal cases and everything to allow Women to play open tournaments.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, can we stop pretending this is about men having an unfair advantage now

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Society be like anakin-padme-3 anakin-padme-4

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some Random Enby: International Chess Org have "No Right To Continue Breathing"

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Turns out chess wasn't the thinking person's game after all, what a bunch of bigoted morons.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago

This is the most sexist thing I've heard today holy shit transphobes are something else

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The chess community is the absolute worst, more insufferable than any gaming community. Chess players are exactly the same kind of nerds as your average league of legends gamer, except they're also boomers and unlike league players they don't have the humility from being mocked for it, instead people kiss their feet because they think playing chess is some high IQ activity.

Half the reason I don't play chess anymore is because so many chess players are insufferable manchildren who think they're god's gift to earth. Just listen to Kasparov's moronic takes about women's brains being "unfit for extended conflict" as a reason for why they're just genetically worse at chess, only for him to lose to Judit Polgar later and rush off in an embarrassing, immature tantrum.

Fuck chess players. Fuck FIDE. Chess players should be bullied more. I literally have more respect for Fortnite kids.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why the hell are there gendered leagues for fucking chess

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The initial idea was to promote women in chess, but they don't promote the events so shrug-outta-hecks

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was really about the men being big mad about the idea of losing to a woman

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chess used to be full of misogynistic dudes with flaming hot takes about women's intelligence. Still is but less nowadays. Leagues organized women's tournaments and ranks to give women a space to play without being harassed by losers

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure why gender would even matter in chess. It seems weird to make the distinction, just let two people sit across from each other and play.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (10 children)

because chess has historically been an extremely misogynistic field (and still is, if not quite so overt), so there's still a huge imbalance in the field, just like how women are underrepresented in tech.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have had some convos about this with friends, they think it's weird that chess is still segregated by gender but I gave them this rationalization, that to promote women it made sense to separate them as a temporary measure until women have equal standings. But now I'm not sure FIDE had separate categories for that reason at all, it really is just misogyny.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

we just are smarter, taller, bigger, faster, stronger, and more beautiful

everyone should be afraid, we are going to kill god sicko-fem

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

putting the SS in cheSS

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

disgusting transphobic pieces of garbage, unbelievable that they're still trying to use the same fucking argument with fucking chess, stfu-terf now shut the fuck up, turn and face the wall

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

"Trans women's finger bone density gives them an unfair advantage over cis women's fragile finger bones. And also fuck trans men because they uh." - FIDE

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, i knew we're in middle of a huge transphoby wave, but didn't expect that from a chess, of all sports. But then, i'm not very familiar with the chess crowd. Still, this shit reactionary on so many levels i don't know where to start.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

puts my filthy nb hands all over their chess pieces, what now transphobes stfu-terf

i'll eat the pieces next don't test me

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Time to ban pawn promotion.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Clearly you don't understand the importance of bone structure and muscle development in chess

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

gross mental imagesWhat natural advantage??? Golfing a pawn at the opponent's face with my dick or what?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Why is chess even divided by gender? Because men are sore losers and might attack women after the game? I genuinely don't understand how someone could even pretend to think this is sound logic.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sex divisions (and variants) make some sense as a convenient proxy for physical sport classes, sure, that's reasonable enough, but chess and game shows? That's just openly condescending sexism.

I'm imagining they'll end up doing absurd things like chromosome or testosterone tests and debate over intersex chess players (which ain't so black and white).

As a trivia side note, not even age groups are a definitive skill division; the famous Game of the Century was won by a 13 year old.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Most people don't know this because they censor this but the official rules state that you have to move chess pieces around with your dick in Men's chess. Apparently, the use of a third appendage for speedy moves is paramount to the strategy of the game. Cis women are obviously at a disadvantage because of it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why does there even need to be a division between genders in chess?

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