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Update: The parties of the left coalition have publicly reaffirmed their commitment to the coalition, sending a message to Macron that they will not govern under the liberals

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 4 months ago (9 children)

I want to say, I'm French and this is reassuring. Sure it's not a massive victory for the left, because New Popular Front is full of succdems, but it's actually a massive defeat for the far right and the media who support them. It's cool that their demonizing of the only truly anti-racist party (LFI) didn't work. It's also a small defeat for the neolibs who are just in the low phase of their cycle of holding power.

We'll see if fuckhead president will choose to take full power and rule alone or take a succdem imperialist prime minister and continue business as usual

[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Oh yeah this is much more a story of Macron’s negative political instinct and a massive fumble by the far right with a wide open door as a path to power. This is a HUGE rejection of the far right

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 months ago

i want to believe but ive been so broken by the crushing of the yellow vest and retirement protests that nothing short of a revolution will give me hope... I'm still happy the far right got their asses handed to them after months of media circus

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He tried to imitate Pedro Sánchez, but he didn't realize that Pedro's instincts are out of this world.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

tbf pedro bungled his first few tries at snap election, and he never got what he wanted which was an absolute majority, ended up having to do what he didn't want which was letting podemos into the government

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

It doesn't matter how rejected they are, history is proven they're willing to coup governments ruled by people too cowardly to oppose them.

Time will tell how this will turn out.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (4 children)

So, what does this mean for future legislation in France? Or the Presidential race once Macron's term is up?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So, what does this mean for future legislation in France?

The big question is whether or not Macron is going to uphold the tradition of naming a prime minister elected by the majority faction of the National Assembly. If he does so maybe France will have some social democracy as a treat and recognise the state of Palestine if we're lucky.

He could also not give a fuck as far as I know, French president is a de-jure dictator in the fifth republic's constitution.

He could also resign which would be.... funny I guess?

Or the Presidential race once Macron’s term is up?

Too soon to know about that. Mélenchon could come back or not, if he doesn't nobody knows who would run for LFI. The next mainstream neolib too is unknown. The only certain thing is that we have our Party For Racism that will probably be a threat as usual

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I hate to be a downer but... It is good and valuable that the fash didn't do as well as all the talking heads on TV predicted/hoped. It is also good that the centre-left coalition is the largest block, ahead of the various reactionary ones.

But... but... We are celebrating that the "left", and by left we include succdems and libs, got roughly a third of the seats in parliament. That the left, by the widest possible definition of the term, is a minority.

I don't know French politics but I know centrist liberals. They might be mad about the fash eating their lunch but ultimately they are going to follow the class interest they represent and side with the fash against the left, especially if the fash offers to support a liberal government in return for crackdowns on those deemed inferior.

Sweden used to be the prime example of "good liberals" with the succdems and the "respectable" right agreeing to keep the fascist SD party away from all influence. But in the end the temptation grew too big and now Sweden is ruled by a right-wing regime supported by the fash.

I will be surprised if the "respectable" French centre-right doesn't end up doing something similar in the end.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think RN/Ensemble coalition is unworkable, at least right now. Macron's brand is staked too much in being the safeguard against the fascists, and I don't see RN having any reason to hitch themselves to what has been a very unpopular administration. At the very least, these results mean that if either Macron or RN wants a functional right-wing government, the political costs are going to be severe.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

but allying with centrist party tanks the ideological party, so the danger is in npf working with ensemble, and tanking its support by doing grown-up realistic compromises

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

PLEASE I WANT TO BELIEVE ooooooooooooooh

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We need to praise the greatness of comrades in all nations.

Think of the great contributions to our immortal movement made by British and French socialists.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

america sucks shit

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Always knew French people were based! Don't check my posting history.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago

@frogwordcountbot

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

The Internet Communist Community has Forgiven France

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I was happy about this, then I saw that they want to keep sending weapons to Ukraine and back a two-state solution in Palestine. Still better than the demokkkrats but that’s a low bar. The French left still hasn’t learned how they lost everything after 1945 because of their appalling foreign policy, especially with regard to Algeria and Vietnam.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Melenchon just announced that France will recognize Palestine asap which is better than nothing

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Can't expect more from sucdems I guess, the most important thing is fascism is halted for now at least.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The NPF isn't so much "the french left" as it is the french left (pc and lfi) with eurocuck greens and center left neoliberals (second largest member), it doesn't shock me that stuff like nato and ukraine aren't even on the table as discussable topics

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wake me up if they actually start implementing non-neoliberal policies

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

François Hollande, former head of the Socialist Party, is the controversial figure who started the Pension reform because French populace needs to live austere in difficult time.

This party is one of the main members of this left coalition

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The same Hollande who admitted to sabotaging Minsk agreement? Lmao, "the left".

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

HOPE MANIFESTED

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I imagine these polls are framed along the lines of the US ones where they ask shit like "on a scale of 1 to 5, how liberal are you?"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Very liberal (pcf)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Commune of France when???

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Real Gallic Patriots are in charge

Trust in the plan

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

How 'left' are the NPF? Soc dem?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Its a grouping of 5 smaller leftish parties, so pretty ideologically diverse. It only came together like two months ago per CNN, ad hoc when Macron called for the general election.

Their main unifying factor is not wanting the far right in control.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Whatever disagreements I might have with them, full respect for moving so quick on this.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Center left neoliberals (your modern socdems) are the second largest party in the coalition, the first are left populists based around the celebrity character of Melenchon, the 3rd are green eurocucks and 4th are the old school communists, then there's a sputtering of center to left parties

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So what stops the Macronites & the far right forming a coalition?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

This is not American “liberals” who would govern alongside the far right and call it healthy bipartisanship, a coalition of the French liberals and far right would be a dual political suicide

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