submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/memes@lemmy.world
 

A friendly reminder that isps do NOT care about you or your digital rights. Always best to buy directly from the OEM rather than from the telecommunications (unless you can't afford it). Do proper research before buying a phone!

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[–] 120 points 2 years ago (6 children)

ISP locking doesn't make any sense, why should they care if I use stock Android or GraphineOS?

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  • [–] 72 points 2 years ago

    A lot of carrier phones come with carrier preinstalled apps. And it allows for sim locking, keeping you trapped with them or other carriers on the same network. Or at least that’s how it has been, back in the day, when sim-locking still was legal in the EU. Now, phones are the same, whether they come from your carrier or retail.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Their stated reason is to mitigate theft by preventing removal of software that binds the device to the network and account, and to protect their network by blocking paths to custom roms including potentially custom radio firmware.

    The real reason is likely a blend of protecting leased devices for resale value, keeping people from removing "sponsored" apps or ones that make them money, and distrust of users ability to not get tricked into abject stupid choices.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    They care because some users don’t actually own their phones and the carrier wants to keep strings attached, or they want to impose artificial software restrictions like preventing or limiting hotspot data.

    Even when none of those conditions apply, you still often must deal with the locked boot loader. It’s BS.

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  • [–] 111 points 2 years ago (31 children)

    This is why you never, ever, buy a phone from a carrier

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The concept was always bizarre to me. It's like getting a PC as part of your broadband contract. Speaking of, it would make more sense to get a phone as part of your broadband contract, my phone is 95% an internet device. That it happens to have a SIM card in it is a minor feature.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    my phone is 95% an internet device. That it happens to have a SIM card in it is a minor feature.

    I seriously wonder how long carriers will keep handing out phone numbers to data-only devices. It has to be a serious cost for them to provision out so many numbers plus it only contributes to the phone number exhaustion problem that happens in many areas codes. For example my work has about 1000 training iPads we've shipped out, all with phone numbers local to our main office, purely for the purposes of connecting to mobile data. Any messaging/phone apps the Apple might proload are removed via the MDM so they really never use the phone number for anything. And I imagine the company I work for is not a minority in doing something like that given how cheap iPads are to deploy at scale for anything that just needs to run a web browser and nothing else

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Ok. Now how do I unlock my samsung note 20 ultra that isn't carrier locked?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Also never ever by a Samsung phone. Seriously, you have to check in advance what you can and cannot do with your phone. Stop caring about megapixels, 15 cameras all around the edge of the phone and it being foldable 8 times or more. Then you can also buy phones under $1000. You should try it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I used to riot every phone I had. I'd install the Cyanogen dailies and loved customizing my phone.

    Now I have an $1800 foldable Samsung phone (Fold 3) I bought 3 years ago, and I won't go back. Yeah, it was super expensive, but why should I spend thousands on my desktop computer I use once or twice a week at most, but then go cheap on the device I keep on hand all day every day?

    The biggest reasons to root for years were unlocking things like wifi tethering that are now built into the devices. I haven't felt the need to root a phone since like 2012. The things I miss about older phones (headphone jack, IR blaster, SD card slot, interchange batteries, etc) are all hardware that can't be fixed with root, and I wouldn't trade all those features for the user experience of my Fold.

    I can use my outside screen for quick tasks, my inner screen for more intense use, and I can wirelessly connect it into my laptop or desktop and get a full desktop-style interface through Samsung Dex (the least-advertised killer feature of Samsung phones, BTW).

    It has enough horsepower to run any app I need. The battery life is mediocre if I use the inside screen a bunch, but that's to be expected with this size screen.

    I'm happy with my Samsung because they make excellent phones. Do I need all these bells and whistles? No. But I like having them and am in a place where I can buy a nice phone every few years.

    And, for the first time I'm entirely, 100% satisfied with my phone 3 years into ownership and am not even considering upgrading any time soon. If I make this phone last 5-6 years it'll average out to being pretty affordable compared to my old phones I'd get for cheap and replace every 2 years.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Biggest issue I've had with my s21 is those dumbass childrens games being installed with every update

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    I used ADB to debloat my galaxy a34 upon receiving the phone, a major OneUI update has not brought anything I disabled, only new apps like the video editor. Hint: Disable / remove Appcloud via ADB if you have a Samsung phone

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Assuming that model can be unlocked you'd usually enable developer options in Android settings, toggle the bootloader unlock option there then reboot to the bootloader and finish unlocking (and wiping) the phone.

    There's some Samsung fuckery requiring button presses and/or a cable plugged into the phone at the right time during boot to get into different bootloader modes, the exact buttons and cable plugging sequence vary by model so Google and see if you can find an XDA thread or something.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    Buy a phone not tied to a carrier

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Easy if you have money. If a new phone is a financial stretch, then in the short term it can be cheaper to get a nice phone for "free" with carrier lock in (which of course means it wasn't free at all). It probably ends up being more expensive in the long term, but your paycheck can cover it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    You can actually get financing directly from Google who make the Pixel line of phones themselves, with bootloader unlocked as an option. So there is absolutely zero reason to buy from a carrier like Verizon unless they have a really fantastic promotion happening.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    I've used all sorts of other ROM builds, lately I had been into LineageOS. Then I ran a stock Zenfone a while because I got sick of the never-ending treadmill of bootloader unlock>ROM>root>magisk etc etc

    After 9 months with a stock phone I got a (used) Pixel and put GrapheneOS on it. From first boot it took all of 10 minutes to unlock the bootloader and install GrapheneOS. The longest part was the download. Bootloader re-locked. Easy peasy.

    I'm a convert. I don't prefer the Pixel hardware, tho it's okay, but the ability to easily put my own OS on (and still use my banking apps) is pretty tits. I could revert to stock in 5 minutes.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You don't even need to get a phone from ISP or some telecom, on Xiaomi you need to install sussy app on PC and wait for a week, for unlocking bootloader.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Unless you are Chinese user, which means you are double fucked.

    To unlock your phone, you need to:

    1. Level 5 Xiaomi Forum Level (Gonna take half a year if you only check in daily, if you post and replies, then its tiny bit faster.)
    2. Make an appointment for the Unlocking Permission Test (random dates, xiaomi is also slowly/quietly limiting the number of test dates)
    3. Pass the test (timed, broad range/difficult technical questions, akin to a 300 level college exam that you're not given any materials to study for)
    4. If you pass, you're only allow to unlock 3 phones per year.

    But hey, if you bought the phone outside of China (or simply not Chinese version), then you don't have to do any of those except wait for 68 hours. Fuck the Chinese users eh (Chinese version also has a lot more bloatwares, the apps that you download from xiaomi app store also more invasive (more permission) than google play versions).

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    I think it's 72h after linking your phone to your Xiaomi account, don't need their pc app abd tools work fine.

    It's still one of the brands that are most open for custom roms since you'll retain your warranty unless you manage to do physical damage to the phone in the process.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    first world countries have carrier locking illegal, and carriers sell the same configuration phones as regular shops.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Welcome to capitalism...

    For a long time VZW used separate tech. That required a different antenna/software. Hence special phones.

    And still has some frequency bands not offered on international phones. But it is mostly about control.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I don't know what Verizons deal is with it honestly, but T-Mobile hasn't gotten in the way of it, they've even carrier unlocked phones for me that were still on a fresh payment plan for it.

    Always best to buy directly from the OEM

    Not everyone can afford that you know, and I find those budget/mid range phones insufferable. I'd buy one as a matter of last resort only.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    I have a "budget" device from 2019. It runs Lineage OS and works fine.

    Also you are the product

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I am more than aware that not everyone can afford buying high priced phones right out. I should have clarified that in my post

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    I think what you did was OK. Meme doesn’t necessarily have to apply to everyone. In this case, you can say it was restricted to those who should have full control of their device with every expectation and for every reason, and it would still be valid and makes sense. But that’s just my opinion.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    The best thing is actually to buy a used phone that was really good a couple years ago. I bought a used Oneplus 9 for $200 last year and it's still perfectly usable and way more powerful than I've ever needed a phone to be. Also older phones are more likely to be supported by third party android distributions.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Carriers still sell phones?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    If you want to be on Verizon, check out Visible. Same network, but way cheaper. Bring your own device or use one of their cheap options.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    While this is true, be aware there are drawbacks to 3rd party budget carriers.

    The service includes caveats that your traffic lower priority then VZWs so if your on a busy node you may get throttled or temporarily kicked off

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I've been using a VMNO for 4 years now, never had an issue.

    I used to be Verizon only because of travel for work, and I need it to "just work". I've found NVMO to be no different now.

    It's possible in a specific area this could be the case though. Not all areas have the same coverage.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I was also on Verizon forever since I could always smugly claim more bars than my poor friends

    now that I'm kicked off my family plan and I actually have to pay for it and daycare and a mortgage I switched to mint and it works better than my wife's Verizon

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