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[–] 140 points 2 years ago (37 children)

While I agree that this is stupid, why would a deaf person be using Spotify in the first place?

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  • [–] 244 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    Deafness isn't binary, they could be capable of hearing the music but not making out the lyrics.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    So I'm not deaf, not in the slightest, but I struggle to understand lyrics in music. I love music, I live and breathe it and I'm gonna dedicate my life to it, but I've always struggled with understanding lyrics in music. To me, the vocalist is just another instrument in the mix. Having lyrics to read helps me appreciate my favorite tunes more!

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    [–] 88 points 2 years ago (107 children)

    If it were a paid account yeah, it'd be extremely shitty. But seeing as it's a free account, it's their prerogative to try and get people to pay for the service. Besides, I don't get this entitlement that spotify has to provide music for free. They're a (admittedly greedy) middle-man that wants to get paid. If one wants free music and everything, well, time to self-host.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (38 children)

    it's their prerogative to try and get people to pay for the service.

    Except that this attempt could easily be shown to largely land on folks with accessibility needs. That's a big no-no under many laws.

    An interesting comparison is pay-to-ride elevators. For most folks an elevator is a nice convenience they would not mind occasionally paying for.

    But for some folks, the elevator is completely essential. This dynamic resulted in making pay-to-ride elevators illegal in most places, today.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    Due to the uniquely fucked up way music licensing works, it's likely they license the lyrics through a separate company than the music and probably don't even directly license it themselves (Tidal for example uses Musicmatch's lyric library and api). There's a cost associated with this that is likely outside their control. It's shitty, but it is plalusibly reasonable they implemented this as a cost savings measure.

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    [–] 73 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Wow, that's hot trash. Imagine subtitles on movies and TV being stuck behind a paywall.

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    [–] 60 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I guess deaf people aren't allowed to enjoy music like the rest of y'all.

    I'm so sorry but this is the absolute funniest shit I have ever read. 😂

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  • [–] 64 points 2 years ago

    Being deaf is a spectrum. There are plenty of people who still have some hearing, and are “hard of hearing”. There’s deaf people who can enjoy music through the use of hearing aids as well. There’s also totally deaf people who can enjoy music because of the vibrations. There’s people whose hearing is just bad enough that they don’t understand what anyone is saying without subtitles/lyrics. Deaf in only one ear, etc.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago* (12 children)

    I might get a bit of hate for this considering the community name, but Spotify is the one subscription I pay for and don’t feel like I’m getting ripped off. Basically every song I want is on there, they very rarely remove content, and the algorithm actually comes up with decent recommendations. I even like some of the other random features like Spotify wrapped.

    But the main difference I see vs other subscriptions is that I don’t feel locked in, since there are no Spotify originals etc if they ever make the service too shit (which admittedly they might since they keep raising the price and trying to shove podcasts down everyone’s throat) I could easily switch to a different streaming service or even go back to just buying music outright

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    If you want Spotify for free and lyrics for free, just Google the lyrics...

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    wait why should deaf people enjoy music? And not through vibrations but LYRICS?!?!

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    This one is actually out of their hands. Lyrics aren't free sadly and they have to pay for API calls. It's fucking stupid but the labels are the ones at fault here.

    Fuck Spotify nonetheless.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    I'm a bit confused. Do deaf people listen to music? Lyrics are generally freely available via Google.

    Edit: see reply for a good explanation.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Deafness covers a broad spectrum of hearing difficulty, not just completely deaf. Most people that identify as deaf still have some hearing. I always forget that and had the same question as you until I read a comment further down.

    It's likely that the person isn't fully deaf and so can still hear some music, but deaf enough that they can't understand the lyrics. Having the ability to view the lyrics in real time is handy rather than having to search them up all the time. Spotify also shows what lyric is currently being sung in real time, whereas you can't get that with a Google search.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Agreed.

    I spent the last month converting all of my Spotify likes to MP3 files and ended my subscription in Mid-June.

    Their greedy, shrinkflating, enshittifying asshole CEO can go fuck himself.

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    why the FUCK does anyone still use spotify, it's a fucking joke. Unusable without paying for it.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    paying $15 a month to listen to anything I want instantly is worth it

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    They don't have everything. I have plenty of tracks on my drive at home that aren't available. ALSO, sometimes you'll find a track you like and save it locally in Spotify, then Spotify decides they don't like that track anymore and you no longer have access to it. It still shows up in your library but it's grayed out.

    Also their shuffle button is hot garbage, at least on Android. It's been garbage for years and it recently got even worse.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Lemme just slide this in here... Zotify

    (Lyrics are hit or miss.)

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    I know Lemmy hates Apple, but if you want a Spotify alternative with good accessibility, then this is pretty cool:

    https://www.apple.com/au/newsroom/2024/05/apple-announces-new-accessibility-features-including-eye-tracking/

    Music Haptics is a new way for users who are deaf or hard of hearing to experience music on iPhone. With this accessibility feature turned on, the Taptic Engine in iPhone plays taps, textures and refined vibrations to the audio of the music. Music Haptics works across millions of songs in the Apple Music catalogue, and will be available as an API for developers to make music more accessible in their apps.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    damn thats crazy, i'm out here with my 300GB collection of music that i own and control and i can just, add lyrics to shit if i want to.

    I don't because i'm not deaf and i don't really care for lyrics all that much, but it's also just, automated.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I'm so confused by people under this post defending a company's scheme to make more money that disproportionately affects disabled people.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I killed my Spotify account when they started shoveling millions of dollars at Joe Rogan, and everything they've done since then only confirms I made the right call.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You can look up lyrics on Google for free, or what?

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  • [–] 70 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The lyrics on Spotify play along/highlight as the song plays so you can read along in time with the song.

    This is actually a vital accommodation for the hard of hearing and partially Deaf because we can often hear/feel the beat and sometimes the melody, but we don't know exactly where in the song were up to because the tune of all the versus sounds the same, or vocal breaks of "ooooooh, lalala" can be mistaken for the start of a new line of lyrics.

    So if you're just reading along with a static page of lyrics, it takes a lot of mental energy to figure out what's happening with the song, especially if it's a new song you're discovering.

    We've had static lyric sheets for decades, you'd unfold the sleeve in your record and try to read along as you listened, never 100% sure you were doing it right unless a fully hearing friend was there to point at the words and be your version of the bouncing ball.

    So to have this technology that almost completely solves this problem for a vulnerable community... Then to put it behind a pay wall despite the fact that Deaf people are more likely to be underemployed and socially disadvantaged than the general hearing populous is just callous.

    Our experience of music is fundamentally different to hearing people, and yet Spotify will charge us the same rate for a sub par experience.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    As a non-deaf person, I came in here looking exactly for your comment. Reading the post, I was confused as to how deaf people even enjoy music. You told me exactly the things I wanted to understand in a very good, and even relatable way. Thank you!

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Search for something called “Spicetify” and make sure to install the marketplace as well for more addons.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I didn't even know they did that, Glad I don't have an account with them. I'm partially deaf, most music I can't understand what someone singing. Those fun things people do of like "most common misheard lyrics" is basically my life. On the plus side I enjoy music from around the world because unintelligible music is unintelligible no matter where it's from. They're very few artists I feel like I can understand, and realistically I'm probably wrong.

    In real life, I read lips to help augment my terrible hearing. Fun fact during the mask man dates during COVID, was probably the worst time for me. A lot of people I could hear talking as I could hear noise but I could not make out what it was. Leading to a lot of awkward conversations.

    Anyhoo, that's all to say that for music that I do like I do have to see the lyrics. It's what converts the noise into words.

    So, fuck you Spotify, My life's difficult enough already, I'm not paying your shitty service so you can charge me for my impairment.

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