I'm seeing a lot of this 25th amendment talk and everything, but couldn't Dems just pull their Biden as their nomination? The DNC was able to fuck Bernie six ways from sunday, shouldn't they just be able to say, "actually, we're not going with Biden, we choose this other fuckin guy?" or is it just somehow too late for that?
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Yes, they definitely can, but that might lead to them winning, and then they might have to govern, and that tends to get in the way of fundraising.
The problem is that theu know Kamala Harris will be absolutely demolished if they run her. And they kinda have to run the VP if they realize they can no longer run the president.
they can put up literally anyone they want for the presidency and no one can do anything about it
They can, but would they?
Liberals have always been about the letter of the law (when it suits them), and I really don't think they would here. They're far too busy thinking of how they can pin it on Biden falling apart at the seams and all the money they're gonna make fundraising during Trump 2.
Gavin Newsom is the prop right now. He's a somewhat hot white guy that is only 56 so he has a chance.
Newsom has been setting this up for a while. I was talking about it in the news thread. Whether other dem factions will go for it though is anyone's guess. Supposedly there's a pretty broad faction in the House that wants Gretchen Whitmer.
Honestly, she doesn't seem terrible. She seems better than Newsom but I doubt she'd win due to coming out of nowhere and being a woman. Also since she's just a governor I haven't had my opinion of her tainted by her inevitably dogshit foreign policy.
They don’t have to run Kamala, and only would to cement a defeat in November.
They have to do what will hold the Presidency for the Democrats. They've shat the bed and need to clean up.
Biden would likely be resentful and attempt to run as independent which would split the vote. He’s paid his dues and won’t allow anyone to take his reward
I'm sure this is what is coming really.. my money is on Gavin Newsom
I'm not sure they can but only because the president is head of the party right? If he agrees to stand down though then they can do whatever the fuck they like, voters and selfies be dammned.
In one excruciating early moment — while trying to advertise his administration’s efforts to cap the prices of prescription drugs for Medicare beneficiaries — Biden said that he had been “making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with ... the Covid ... excuse me, with, um, dealing with everything we have to do with ... uh ... look ... if ... we finally beat Medicare.”
But they’d need the president’s cooperation.
Uh oh!
It's actually (hilariously) up to more than just Genocide Joey.
That's right, Jack. She didn't just fall out of a coconut tree yesterday!
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
So the wording is super long winded (holy fuck this is why lawyers shouldn't exist or be in power) but it seems per the 25th amendment Kamala could, with agreement from Biden's cabinet, assume the presidency. If Joe doesn't contest it, she would just stay. If Joe did contest it, it would go to congress to decide if the president (Joe) is actually fit to be president. The wording also seems to indicate the acting-president, formerly the VP, would remain acting-president during the decision time allowed to congress.
It would require 2/3 majority vote in both houses to finalize the ousting if it came to that- which would be interesting to see because it's almost like a legalized coup at that point. If you assume all the Rs just want chaos and to vote against Biden (not a safe assumption, but just assuming for now) it would need like 50 or something dems in the house and like 16 or 17 (too lazy to look up the actual numbers each party holds right now) dems in the senate to vote to kick him/keep Kamala. If republicans decide to gum shit up because they would rather Trump face Biden, not Kamala, they could just fuck the whole "coup" and cause a tiny meltdown in doing so because then it's just "dictator Joe" (Trump owes me if he uses this) desperately clinging to power when his VP and cabinet said he needs to go.
God I hope this happens purely for entertainment and chaos value.
I did say previously that they'd never 25th their own guy, but I didn't anticipate him being THIS pathetic. I thought his handlers would be smart enough to cancel this debate (maybe he threatened them into letting him do it? I remember a recent article about him being violently angry towards staffers), and just generally lock him away until after the election, heavily staged events aside.
Maybe they would? Thought like you alluded to, I doubt Conservatives would impeach him because he's so obviously withering away and the DNC apparatus is in full blown panic right now.
All of this going down in an election year with only 4-5 months in advance would be a tall order.
I'm with Her ™️ the real Her. Kamala Harris.
I believe she can do it. She only has to lay off the whatever she's on. Xanax or whatever for like a month or two to do the coup
Another dying dem stubbornly refuses to retire for no logical reason? Leaving a power vacuum for fascism (not that Biden isn’t plenty fascist in his own right)?
Where have I heard that before?
It happens in threes
But they’d need the president’s cooperation.
They literally do not lol. Push him down the stairs. Do literally 0.5% of what you do to poor countries with the CIA
Just show him his approval numbers, Biden would get so mad his heart would explode
They can nominate whoever they want, it just takes a rules change, and that requires a majority vote. This is an emergency. The pilot is unconscious. Grab the controls, or the plane will hit the mountainside.
Democrats spent the entire four years of Trump's presidency studying the 25th Amendment and trying to figure out how to get it applied to kick Trump out for being incoherent
Now that their boy has brain matter dripping from his ears, they suddenly forgot about the 25th and oh no, the president has to cooperate and decide to step down himself
But they’d need the president’s cooperation.
you could push the fucker down a flight of stairs and everyone would believe it was an accident
On the other hand, they're right
On the other, this is an electoral decision, innit... and this is going to end up as the 'oh, I was always opposed to Joe Biden becoming...' face-turn...
But they'd need the president's cooperation
Yeah, uh, ogey... good luck with that, I guess...
no more half measures walter
If democrats ever did what they should or even could do they wouldn't be dems.
The Democrats can, should, must and will blow up Joe Biden.
Considering the potential image disaster and other repercussions of changing a candidate in this way, and the impression it would give of internal democracy, do you think any other candidate has a chance of winning the White House in the elections?
Considering the potential image disaster
There is no more "Potential"? The image disaster is already here, the mainstream media has already said Biden needs to go, you are outside your mainstream bubble and out of step with your liberal political peers
and the impression it would give of internal democracy
What democracy? Everyone already knows this election is a false binary, the wishes of the population are not being respected or even considered at all, the current "impression" out there (which is based in reality) is that this country is descending into fascism and collapse conditions
do you think any other candidate has a chance of winning the White House in the elections?
You know who definitely doesn't have a chance as of last night? Joe Biden
Biden wasn’t democratically chosen anyway.
But regardless, just about any candidate would probably have a better chance than Biden. It still wouldn’t be a good chance, but it would be better.
Biden wasn’t democratically chosen anyway.
Yes, that's a good point, it cannot be denied.
But regardless, just about any candidate would probably have a better chance than Biden. It still wouldn’t be a good chance, but it would be better.
Of course, I'm asking if you can think of anyone who had a real chance of winning.
she's electable if you vote for her!
Why not Kamala? What are you, some sort of sexist to suggest that she cannot run in Biden's place / s
Seriously, tho, if I were some Professional Managerial Class ghoul, I would replace Biden for good optics with literally anyone else from 2016-2020 Democratic Primaries...
Adam Schiff would be my pick. He's relatively young, high-profile for name recognition, and very generic/inoffensive. In an election against a polarizing candidate like Trump that might do it.
I believe that Adam Schiff, who has all the personality of a wet blanket, would be a soft target for the GOP machine.
the impression it would give of internal democracy
Eight years ago trump won the presidency, despite most people voting for Hillary. How can anything give a worse impression of democracy then the winner getting fewer votes then the loser?
Edit: unless you're talking about the democracy within the democratic party, not within the US. In that case just pretend I'm going on a nice little side tangent about US democracy.
Bush II also lost the popular vote iirc
Yep, it's happened five times (1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016).
do you think any other candidate has a chance of winning the White House in the elections?
Lets rank them by possibility
Vice President Kamala Harris. I see her losing a la 2016 just being an absolute dipshit campaigner and ultimately being a really unpopular and offputting person.
Governor Gavin Newsom. He's basically a nobody with no publicly stated national beliefs. He looks like a slimeball and is one too. Would lose any or all of the eastern swing states, simply because he didnt have enough time to zero in on what he actually stood for.
First Lady Michelle Obama. She actually has a decent chance at winning, but why on earth would she want to? People know who she is, she's well liked by suburbanites and elites. But would she be able to actually go high when confronted by media, or when Trump calls her a man on stage and points at her photoshopped pelvic bulge? I dont know what that looks like but it does feel like something that could happen 
Bernie Sanders. He was also too old in 2020 but I have a feeling that if he gunned for the nom and didnt get it and actually split from the party it would finally destroy it. Please do it grandpa. He wont but I can pray for it.
Elizabeth Warren. Same schtick as Kamala but also looks old and white. runs and the only black person to vote for her is uncle Ruckus
Pete Buttigieg. Wins when the CIA totally dissolves the fiction of american democracy and just suspiciously kills trump. If not wins the electoral college but not the popular vote. Or just fails to get a campaign organized after the convention.
Gretchen Whitmer is probably the most likeable, somewhat recognizable person they could run. She's still a centrist, but had some halfway decent policies as governor. I imagine the DNC would see her see as a compromise with the "progressive" wing, bullshit as that may be. That could be exactly what stops them from picking her, though. Also she's a woman. On the other hand, there was the whole kidnapping plot which if they were smart, they could really milk as proof of Trump being a threat to democracy, their favorite talking point. I think she's the high profile dem who would be perceived most favorably next to Trump. Shes also from the Midwest, which has all the key swing states they need to win, including her own. Gavin Newsom, the runner up, has name recognition, but he also has sleazy used car salesman vibes. Kamala would eat shit
This is turning out to be a more interesting election season than expected.