The wildest part is that he's surprised that Mastodon peeps would react negatively to their posts being scrapped without consent or even notification and fed into an AI model. Like, are you for real dude? Have you spent more than 4 seconds on Mastodon and noticed their (our?) general attitude towards AI? Come the hell on...

His Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@jsecretan/with_replies

Look at that shit-eating grin, he knows. There's no way someone can be that out of touch, right? Right?!?

How does someone with a last name that close to secretion choose to go by Jimmy?

Obviously it's named after Maven Black-Briar

Yeah, we're trying to get the fuck away from algorithms. That's what makes the fediverse such a big draw currently, for me.

TikTok is really popular operating on essentially the same principle. I, for one want nothing to do with that.

The fact they even got DMs from at least one instance is crazy.

Defederation is more about not being flooded with 1000x more users than the Fediverse currently has

@onlinepersona@programming.dev

yeah they were. I hope more people start doing it even if it doesn't legally hold water its still a good way to show that fediverse users won't stand for that.

Anti Commercial-AI license (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0)

Looks like it.

In addition to pulling in posts, the import process seems to be running AI sentiment analysis to add tags and relational data after content reaches Maven’s servers. This is a core part of Maven’s product: instead of follows or likes, a model trains itself on its own data in an attempt to surface unique content algorithmically.

But of course, that news doesn't give the reader those lovely rage endorphins or draw clicks.

This is the Fediverse, having the content we post get spread around to other servers is the whole point of all this. Is this a face-eating leopard situation? People are genuinely surprised and upset that the stuff we post here is ending up being shown in other places?

There is one thing I see here that raises my eyebrows:

Even more shocking is the revelation that somehow, even private DMs from Mastodon were mirrored on their public site and searchable. How this is even possible is beyond me, as DM’s are ostensibly only between two parties, and the message itself was sent from two hackers.town users.

But that sounds to me like a hackers.town problem, it shouldn't be sending out private DMs to begin with.

They kind of fucked up everything in approaching this by not talking to the community and collecting feedback, making dumb assumptions in how the integration was supposed to work, leaking private posts, running everything through their AI system, and neglecting to represent the remote content as having came from anywhere else.

The other thing is that Maven's whole concept is training an AI over and over again on the platform's posts. Ostensibly, this could mean that a lot of Fediverse content ended up in the training data.

Instances don't actually own the copyright to comments. The poster owns the copyright and licenses it to the instance. Which lets the instance use it, but not sublicense to others.

The current assumption made by these companies is that AI training is fair use, and is therefore legal regardless of license. There are still many ongoing court cases over this, but one case was already resolved in favor or the fair use position.