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‘If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any’ (hexbear.net)

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Feb 2022 is when they started transitioning from pcr's for everyone to home tests.

May 2023 is when they declared an "end to the public emergency" and ended the emergency and stopped requiring hospitals to test people.

This year they stopped requiring hospitals to report much of anything.

I guess this is just how it's going to be from now on, and we'll have to figure out what damage it's doing by analyzing excess death rates

BTW many parts of the US (Hawaii and SF, and my little town apparently) and world are experiencing a pretty sizeable covid surge at the moment. Most likely from the FLiRT variant, and there is also a different variant coming up called kp.3, so that's fun.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

So COVID is literally just forever? It mutates too fast for vaccines. What the fuck. Is there anything that could be done at this point?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Lol we could still just do an actual lockdown (worldwide) for a few weeks and be in vastly better shape, but it would ruin capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago

If every country adopted China's zero covid policy we'd probably have been fine.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Also you would have like 20 chud shooters a day

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago

If the US had an actual legitimate pandemic response like other countries, with checks and supplies being delivered on the regular, I think the chuds would be much more manageable. Of course, it would require any media pushing anti-whatever rhetoric would need to be taken to Central Park. But I think those first couple months of unified 'flatten the curve' discourse shows how powerful they are in shaping public response when they're not trying to commit social murder to make the line go up.

Obviously, this is never happening again under capitalism, which makes the anti-mask, 'back to normal', "leftists" all the more... mind-blowing. kind-vladimir-ilyich

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

You're not wrong

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

End capitalism, global co-operation, lockdowns, mobilise emergency forces and army to help, strict enforcement. Pandemic would be over in 3 years max

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

There's plenty of things we could be doing to make the world safer from covid (and other respritory viruses), but only very marginalized peoples are fighting for them. Better air filtration. Widespread use of Far-UV technology (UV lights that are harmless to humans, but absolutely destroy viruses and mold). Better sick time policies.

None of these are a solution, but we could probably live in a world with even less viral influence than 2019 if we really tried.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the pandemic is "over", now it's just endemic, so you can get COVID randomly in the same way you can catch the flu.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

even the WHO disagrees, you have been successfully propagandized and are now repeating it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

From what I could understand, while it does indeed mutate very fast (like the common cold), it tends to select for milder symptoms.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There is no evidence that I'm aware of stating that milder symptoms reduce long covid susceptibility.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago

To add to this, the vaccines and (to a much lesser extent) prior infection immunity are reducing the dangers from a single infection. The virus isn't getting any weaker. And transmissibility is way up, thus your chance of getting covid is much higher. As research suggests that one's chance of long covid is 10% per infection, more infections are only going to increase one's risk of serious, long term problems.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

instead of almost dying and then being handicapped now you get to not notice the illness and become handicapped

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Which partially explains why even where it was taken seriously there's no alarms going off due to the new variant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

There's no selection process for milder symptoms. Think about it. Regardless of symptoms people aren't masking and long covid only manifests itself after months.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago

🙈 🙈🙈

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly saw the writing on the wall since the 2000s. How many people denied climate change not necessarily because they weren't sure it was happening, but argued from consequence.

"Climate change? Environmentalism? BUT MUH FREEEDUMBS!"

Point is, anglo culture is too focused on its pleasures to sacrifice anything even for its own survival.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The climate change thing is the number one reason that I still keep up precautions. Like oh how did ignoring scientists for the last 70 years go for us?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

grillman : "Yeah, but, have you considered just how COOL we looked ignoring those nerds!?"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Point is, anglo culture is too focused on its pleasures to sacrifice anything even for its own survival.

You can't blame this one on anglos (other than in the sense that they engineered it), everyone is non-masked and pretends it's gone

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Anglos as a group did far worse than many other people though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Engineered what?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the Detrick Disease

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what that is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fort Detrick lost containment briefly right before the “vaping disease” which proceeded Covid. In reality we will probably never know where Covid came from, but if we were going to blame a specific group, the only one we have significant evidence in favor of would be the United States government. Additionally, the first cases in China only appeared after Americans visited in a large number for the Olympics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The Beijing Winter Olympics were in 2022, so I think your timeline's off by a few years?

On another note, the virus almost certainly originated naturally in China due largely to chance and the fact that 1/6th of the global population lives there, meaning the diceroll of something jumping the species barrier is happening more frequently. As far as I'm aware, Chinese researchers (and the Chinese government) also agree on this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It was the Wuhan military games. It took place October 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Military_World_Games

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

You’re probably right. I’m just a stupid dog. I probably should talk about politics honestly.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

Still lolling at how "China is under-reporting their COVID deaths" and "China is pretending there is no pandemic" ended up being pure projection

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The spike is happening in Australia too but the state media is saying its because of colder weather as we come into winter and that there is nothing to worry about.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

"How many realities can I deny with one stone?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Wow, we are still claiming this shit? Lol

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, capitalism created the conditions necessary for a new endemic disease. It's forever a part of the human environment untill after a global revolution/rebuilding and advancement in how we treat medicine in general.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

Endemic means predictable seasonal patterns, which isn't happening because of our constant mass incubation of new mutations. The pandemic phase won't end until universal zero covid is implemented by communists, or a magic sterilizing vaccine covering all possible variants appears

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The graph at the top is odd. It's specifically from Santa Clara County, CA. The biobot data nationally, and in my region never looked like that. i.e. the waves following omicron were much more mild in concentration.

Here's another showing the January wave, with the current uptick still very small in comparison. Makes me curious what's up with SCC's data. Maybe they didn't capture the omicron wave very well in their rolling average? It looks like a single data point at the peak. If that wave wasn't captured well it'd cause the following waves to look anomalously larger after scaling to case numbers.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The more you zoom out, and the longer this has gone on, the less data points we've had resulting in far less accuracy when averaged at greater scale. At a county level, there's been traveling spikes moving throughout the country in unmonitored counties that are basically feeding the surrounding areas and keeping the floor raised.

Also as this has gone, and with the variety of variants, the synchronicity between people's immunity to any specific variant has become wildly out of step. So you get half your population immune during one wave, and then a few months later their population wanes and you see a sudden spike because the next county over caused an outbreak in your now immune less population.

I'm afraid I don't have the screenshots for it anymore but a really good example was in Monroe county Florida they began monitoring out of nowhere, and then suddenly spiked higher than anything the neighboring (and well populated) miami-dade county saw the entire pandemic. Monroe county (and eventually Miami-Dade) then stops monitoring and we have no clue what's happening down in that area of Florida.

Anyway tldr, the raised floor we're seeing is being sustained by the unmonitored counties spiking that we're not seeing.

Oh, I do have Seminole county which did something similar, but we had much more data. Seminole County neighbors Orange County (Disney, etc) and popped higher than any recorded data we had the Disney area.

Here's when I noticed Monroe county spiking and saved some of the data. https://hexbear.net/comment/3919179

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

what a shitshow

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

Oh, this is embarrassing, but you spelled 'most efficient system' wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

its endemic now

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

WHO disagrees with you

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No it’s not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

how so? i remember hearing about how it would become "the common cold"

afaik vaccination and lockdowns were supposed to avoid deaths, but that we wouldnt be able to truly contain it? is the death rate still as high as on peak covid?