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[–] 135 points 2 years ago (29 children)

ANTI UPGRADE?? WHAT THE FUCK

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  • [–] 190 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Intel is well known for requiring a new board for each new CPU generation, even if it is the same socket. AMD on the other hand is known to push stuff to its physical limits before they break compatibility.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    But why? Did Intel make a deal with the board manufacturers? Is this tradition from the days when they build boards themselves?

    I thought they just didn't care and wanted as little restrictions for their chip design as possible, but if this actually works without drawbacks, that theory is out the window.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Intel also sells the chipset and the license to the chipset software; the more boards get sold, the more money they make (as well as their motherboard partners, who also get to sell more, which encourages more manufacturers to make Intel boards and not AMD)

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    There are many motherboard manufactors but only 2 CPU manufacturers (for PC desktop). Board makers don't "makes deals" so much as have the terms dictated to them. Even graphics card manufacturers made them their bitch back when multi-GPU was a thing - it was them who had to sell their Crossfire/SLL technology on their motherboards.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    They've been pulling this shit since the early days. Similar tricks were employed in the 486 days to swap out chips, and again in the Celeron days. I think they switched to the slot style intentionally to keep selling chips to a point lol

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    We have open source designs (RISCV also have GPU designs) but we don't have manufacture power open sourced yet

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498114.pdf

    Soviet Computer Technology: Little Prospect for Catching Up

    We believe that there are many reasons why the Soviets trail the United States in computer technology:

    • The Soviets' centrally-planned economy does not permit adequate flexibility to design or manufacturing changes frequently encountered in computer production; this situation has often resulted in a shortage of critical components

    especially for new products.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    IIRC, the slot CPU thing was because they wanted to get the cache closer to the processor, but hadn't integrated it on-die yet. AMD did the same thing with the original Athlon.

    On a related note, Intel's anticompetitive and anti- consumer tactics are why I've been buying AMD since the K6-2.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    They had integrated the L2 on-die before that already with the Pentium Pro on Socket 8. IIRC the problem was the yields were exceptionally low on those Pentium Pros and it was specifically the cache failing. So every chip that had bad cache they had to discard or bin it as a lower spec part. The slot and SECC form factor allowed them to use separate silicon on a larger node by having the cache still be on-package (the SECC board) instead of on-die.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    It's been at least since the "big iron" days.

    Technician comes out to upgrade your mainframe and it consists of installing a jumper to enable the extra features. For only a few million dollars.

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  • [–] 74 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I see pencil drawn traces are back on the menu

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago

    Turns out, the difference in the socket is just a few pins here and there, and you can make a 8th or 9th generation Coffee Lake CPU work on your Z170/270 board if you apply a few Kapton tape fixes and mod your BIOS,

    Modders giving me a new reason to keep my ye olde z170 mobo instead of just making a new machine with all the nice hardware

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago

    Hackers are the only saving grace in this increasingly dystopian world.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago

    Reminds me of drawing lines on old AMD processors with graphite pencils.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    When will it stop? No really?

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Vote with your wallet, go AMD

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Until AMD does the same and it's back to square one?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    It's been their MO for a long time to keep using the same chipset for as long as possible, if they stop then stop giving either money and just don't upgrade, not that it really matters with the diminishing return each generation.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That’s cool, but is there a subset of features or cpu bound operations or something that makes it worth going through the trouble just to run a faster(?) cpu with slower memory?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Ah intel, never change!

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Stellar work.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    For some reason I don't think I even knew Intel made motherboards.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They don't, but they define the socket the processor slots into and probably did this to market the newer chips as more advanced than they are (by bundling a minor chip upgrade with an additional chipset upgrade that may have more uplift).

    I see no other reason to kneecap upgrades like this when upgrading entails the consumer buying more of your product.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    That's exactly what it is. I previously had Intel hardware for a few generations, but I got seriously pissed off that every time I wanted to upgrade, they had come up with a new incompatible socket and discontinued everything older so I had to also buy a new motherboard.

    I think they might be a bit better at supporting older sockets these days, but still, too many sockets and incompatible chipsets.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I wish there was something for HP 800 G3s. I bought them used after a lot of deliberations and would love to keep it running for as long as I can while not losing out on functionalities.

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