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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 135 points 2 years ago (29 children) ANTI UPGRADE?? WHAT THE FUCK permalink fedilink source hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] aard@kyu.de 190 points 2 years ago (6 children) Intel is well known for requiring a new board for each new CPU generation, even if it is the same socket. AMD on the other hand is known to push stuff to its physical limits before they break compatibility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] neo@lemy.lol 27 points 2 years ago (5 children) But why? Did Intel make a deal with the board manufacturers? Is this tradition from the days when they build boards themselves? I thought they just didn't care and wanted as little restrictions for their chip design as possible, but if this actually works without drawbacks, that theory is out the window. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago Just another instance of common anti-consumer behavior from multi billion dollar companies who have no respect for the customers that line their pockets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago They used to dominate the consumer market prior to Ryzen so might have something to do with it but I got no evidence lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago Intel also sells the chipset and the license to the chipset software; the more boards get sold, the more money they make (as well as their motherboard partners, who also get to sell more, which encourages more manufacturers to make Intel boards and not AMD) permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* There are many motherboard manufactors but only 2 CPU manufacturers (for PC desktop). Board makers don't "makes deals" so much as have the terms dictated to them. Even graphics card manufacturers made them their bitch back when multi-GPU was a thing - it was them who had to sell their Crossfire/SLL technology on their motherboards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago guess who sells the chipsets to the motherboard manufacturers permalink fedilink source parent [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (18 children) They've been pulling this shit since the early days. Similar tricks were employed in the 486 days to swap out chips, and again in the Celeron days. I think they switched to the slot style intentionally to keep selling chips to a point lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] bappity@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (13 children) me when capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) We have open source designs (RISCV also have GPU designs) but we don't have manufacture power open sourced yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are there any projects to develop that capability that you know of? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, there isn't yet, there's the most i could find, but it's not machines permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes, i hope so too, as for now, semiconductor lithography at home is impossible due how big and complex these machines are, so i have same opinion as you are permalink fedilink source parent [–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498114.pdf Soviet Computer Technology: Little Prospect for Catching Up We believe that there are many reasons why the Soviets trail the United States in computer technology: The Soviets' centrally-planned economy does not permit adequate flexibility to design or manufacturing changes frequently encountered in computer production; this situation has often resulted in a shortage of critical components especially for new products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you're only response to criticism of capitalism is ((communism)), you may just be a cog in the corporate propaganda machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mean they went with a literal cia link. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Thanks for the link to the unbiased study by... the CIA? Huh. Yeah I trust them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The paper was from 1985. Was the CIA correct? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marginally. The paper analyzes the capabilities as they existed in the 1980s, but doesn't draw strong conclusions as to why that may be. It does demonstrate how reliance on central planning results in inadequaciea when said central planning is not operating well, though. The paper doesn't really mention it but the central planning of the USSR was actively reeling from Brezhnev dying, Andropov dying, and Chernenko either dying or about to die at the time the CIA thing was written. So yeah, correct is an accurate if imprecise way to put it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) IIRC, the slot CPU thing was because they wanted to get the cache closer to the processor, but hadn't integrated it on-die yet. AMD did the same thing with the original Athlon. On a related note, Intel's anticompetitive and anti- consumer tactics are why I've been buying AMD since the K6-2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* They had integrated the L2 on-die before that already with the Pentium Pro on Socket 8. IIRC the problem was the yields were exceptionally low on those Pentium Pros and it was specifically the cache failing. So every chip that had bad cache they had to discard or bin it as a lower spec part. The slot and SECC form factor allowed them to use separate silicon on a larger node by having the cache still be on-package (the SECC board) instead of on-die. permalink fedilink source parent [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago AMD followed suit for the memory bandwidth part from the K62 architecture. Intel had no reason to do so. permalink fedilink source parent [–] turmacar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* It's been at least since the "big iron" days. Technician comes out to upgrade your mainframe and it consists of installing a jumper to enable the extra features. For only a few million dollars. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bezier@suppo.fi 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) But otherwise upgrade parts would be too affordable! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bappity@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago the horror permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago No, "user security". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aard@kyu.de 190 points 2 years ago (6 children) Intel is well known for requiring a new board for each new CPU generation, even if it is the same socket. AMD on the other hand is known to push stuff to its physical limits before they break compatibility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] neo@lemy.lol 27 points 2 years ago (5 children) But why? Did Intel make a deal with the board manufacturers? Is this tradition from the days when they build boards themselves? I thought they just didn't care and wanted as little restrictions for their chip design as possible, but if this actually works without drawbacks, that theory is out the window. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago Just another instance of common anti-consumer behavior from multi billion dollar companies who have no respect for the customers that line their pockets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago They used to dominate the consumer market prior to Ryzen so might have something to do with it but I got no evidence lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago Intel also sells the chipset and the license to the chipset software; the more boards get sold, the more money they make (as well as their motherboard partners, who also get to sell more, which encourages more manufacturers to make Intel boards and not AMD) permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* There are many motherboard manufactors but only 2 CPU manufacturers (for PC desktop). Board makers don't "makes deals" so much as have the terms dictated to them. Even graphics card manufacturers made them their bitch back when multi-GPU was a thing - it was them who had to sell their Crossfire/SLL technology on their motherboards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago guess who sells the chipsets to the motherboard manufacturers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neo@lemy.lol 27 points 2 years ago (5 children) But why? Did Intel make a deal with the board manufacturers? Is this tradition from the days when they build boards themselves? I thought they just didn't care and wanted as little restrictions for their chip design as possible, but if this actually works without drawbacks, that theory is out the window. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago Just another instance of common anti-consumer behavior from multi billion dollar companies who have no respect for the customers that line their pockets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago They used to dominate the consumer market prior to Ryzen so might have something to do with it but I got no evidence lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago Intel also sells the chipset and the license to the chipset software; the more boards get sold, the more money they make (as well as their motherboard partners, who also get to sell more, which encourages more manufacturers to make Intel boards and not AMD) permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* There are many motherboard manufactors but only 2 CPU manufacturers (for PC desktop). Board makers don't "makes deals" so much as have the terms dictated to them. Even graphics card manufacturers made them their bitch back when multi-GPU was a thing - it was them who had to sell their Crossfire/SLL technology on their motherboards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago guess who sells the chipsets to the motherboard manufacturers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago Just another instance of common anti-consumer behavior from multi billion dollar companies who have no respect for the customers that line their pockets. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] radau@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago They used to dominate the consumer market prior to Ryzen so might have something to do with it but I got no evidence lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago Intel also sells the chipset and the license to the chipset software; the more boards get sold, the more money they make (as well as their motherboard partners, who also get to sell more, which encourages more manufacturers to make Intel boards and not AMD) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* There are many motherboard manufactors but only 2 CPU manufacturers (for PC desktop). Board makers don't "makes deals" so much as have the terms dictated to them. Even graphics card manufacturers made them their bitch back when multi-GPU was a thing - it was them who had to sell their Crossfire/SLL technology on their motherboards. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago guess who sells the chipsets to the motherboard manufacturers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (18 children) They've been pulling this shit since the early days. Similar tricks were employed in the 486 days to swap out chips, and again in the Celeron days. I think they switched to the slot style intentionally to keep selling chips to a point lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] bappity@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (13 children) me when capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) We have open source designs (RISCV also have GPU designs) but we don't have manufacture power open sourced yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are there any projects to develop that capability that you know of? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, there isn't yet, there's the most i could find, but it's not machines permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes, i hope so too, as for now, semiconductor lithography at home is impossible due how big and complex these machines are, so i have same opinion as you are permalink fedilink source parent [–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498114.pdf Soviet Computer Technology: Little Prospect for Catching Up We believe that there are many reasons why the Soviets trail the United States in computer technology: The Soviets' centrally-planned economy does not permit adequate flexibility to design or manufacturing changes frequently encountered in computer production; this situation has often resulted in a shortage of critical components especially for new products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you're only response to criticism of capitalism is ((communism)), you may just be a cog in the corporate propaganda machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mean they went with a literal cia link. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Thanks for the link to the unbiased study by... the CIA? Huh. Yeah I trust them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The paper was from 1985. Was the CIA correct? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marginally. The paper analyzes the capabilities as they existed in the 1980s, but doesn't draw strong conclusions as to why that may be. It does demonstrate how reliance on central planning results in inadequaciea when said central planning is not operating well, though. The paper doesn't really mention it but the central planning of the USSR was actively reeling from Brezhnev dying, Andropov dying, and Chernenko either dying or about to die at the time the CIA thing was written. So yeah, correct is an accurate if imprecise way to put it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) IIRC, the slot CPU thing was because they wanted to get the cache closer to the processor, but hadn't integrated it on-die yet. AMD did the same thing with the original Athlon. On a related note, Intel's anticompetitive and anti- consumer tactics are why I've been buying AMD since the K6-2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* They had integrated the L2 on-die before that already with the Pentium Pro on Socket 8. IIRC the problem was the yields were exceptionally low on those Pentium Pros and it was specifically the cache failing. So every chip that had bad cache they had to discard or bin it as a lower spec part. The slot and SECC form factor allowed them to use separate silicon on a larger node by having the cache still be on-package (the SECC board) instead of on-die. permalink fedilink source parent [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago AMD followed suit for the memory bandwidth part from the K62 architecture. Intel had no reason to do so. permalink fedilink source parent [–] turmacar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* It's been at least since the "big iron" days. Technician comes out to upgrade your mainframe and it consists of installing a jumper to enable the extra features. For only a few million dollars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bappity@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (13 children) me when capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) We have open source designs (RISCV also have GPU designs) but we don't have manufacture power open sourced yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are there any projects to develop that capability that you know of? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, there isn't yet, there's the most i could find, but it's not machines permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes, i hope so too, as for now, semiconductor lithography at home is impossible due how big and complex these machines are, so i have same opinion as you are permalink fedilink source parent [–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498114.pdf Soviet Computer Technology: Little Prospect for Catching Up We believe that there are many reasons why the Soviets trail the United States in computer technology: The Soviets' centrally-planned economy does not permit adequate flexibility to design or manufacturing changes frequently encountered in computer production; this situation has often resulted in a shortage of critical components especially for new products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you're only response to criticism of capitalism is ((communism)), you may just be a cog in the corporate propaganda machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mean they went with a literal cia link. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Thanks for the link to the unbiased study by... the CIA? Huh. Yeah I trust them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The paper was from 1985. Was the CIA correct? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marginally. The paper analyzes the capabilities as they existed in the 1980s, but doesn't draw strong conclusions as to why that may be. It does demonstrate how reliance on central planning results in inadequaciea when said central planning is not operating well, though. The paper doesn't really mention it but the central planning of the USSR was actively reeling from Brezhnev dying, Andropov dying, and Chernenko either dying or about to die at the time the CIA thing was written. So yeah, correct is an accurate if imprecise way to put it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) We have open source designs (RISCV also have GPU designs) but we don't have manufacture power open sourced yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are there any projects to develop that capability that you know of? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, there isn't yet, there's the most i could find, but it's not machines permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes, i hope so too, as for now, semiconductor lithography at home is impossible due how big and complex these machines are, so i have same opinion as you are permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children) We have open source designs (RISCV also have GPU designs) but we don't have manufacture power open sourced yet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are there any projects to develop that capability that you know of? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, there isn't yet, there's the most i could find, but it's not machines permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes, i hope so too, as for now, semiconductor lithography at home is impossible due how big and complex these machines are, so i have same opinion as you are permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are there any projects to develop that capability that you know of? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, there isn't yet, there's the most i could find, but it's not machines permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, there isn't yet, there's the most i could find, but it's not machines permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes, i hope so too, as for now, semiconductor lithography at home is impossible due how big and complex these machines are, so i have same opinion as you are permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yes, i hope so too, as for now, semiconductor lithography at home is impossible due how big and complex these machines are, so i have same opinion as you are permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498114.pdf Soviet Computer Technology: Little Prospect for Catching Up We believe that there are many reasons why the Soviets trail the United States in computer technology: The Soviets' centrally-planned economy does not permit adequate flexibility to design or manufacturing changes frequently encountered in computer production; this situation has often resulted in a shortage of critical components especially for new products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you're only response to criticism of capitalism is ((communism)), you may just be a cog in the corporate propaganda machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mean they went with a literal cia link. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Thanks for the link to the unbiased study by... the CIA? Huh. Yeah I trust them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The paper was from 1985. Was the CIA correct? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marginally. The paper analyzes the capabilities as they existed in the 1980s, but doesn't draw strong conclusions as to why that may be. It does demonstrate how reliance on central planning results in inadequaciea when said central planning is not operating well, though. The paper doesn't really mention it but the central planning of the USSR was actively reeling from Brezhnev dying, Andropov dying, and Chernenko either dying or about to die at the time the CIA thing was written. So yeah, correct is an accurate if imprecise way to put it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you're only response to criticism of capitalism is ((communism)), you may just be a cog in the corporate propaganda machine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mean they went with a literal cia link. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mean they went with a literal cia link. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Thanks for the link to the unbiased study by... the CIA? Huh. Yeah I trust them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The paper was from 1985. Was the CIA correct? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marginally. The paper analyzes the capabilities as they existed in the 1980s, but doesn't draw strong conclusions as to why that may be. It does demonstrate how reliance on central planning results in inadequaciea when said central planning is not operating well, though. The paper doesn't really mention it but the central planning of the USSR was actively reeling from Brezhnev dying, Andropov dying, and Chernenko either dying or about to die at the time the CIA thing was written. So yeah, correct is an accurate if imprecise way to put it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent
[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) The paper was from 1985. Was the CIA correct? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marginally. The paper analyzes the capabilities as they existed in the 1980s, but doesn't draw strong conclusions as to why that may be. It does demonstrate how reliance on central planning results in inadequaciea when said central planning is not operating well, though. The paper doesn't really mention it but the central planning of the USSR was actively reeling from Brezhnev dying, Andropov dying, and Chernenko either dying or about to die at the time the CIA thing was written. So yeah, correct is an accurate if imprecise way to put it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marginally. The paper analyzes the capabilities as they existed in the 1980s, but doesn't draw strong conclusions as to why that may be. It does demonstrate how reliance on central planning results in inadequaciea when said central planning is not operating well, though. The paper doesn't really mention it but the central planning of the USSR was actively reeling from Brezhnev dying, Andropov dying, and Chernenko either dying or about to die at the time the CIA thing was written. So yeah, correct is an accurate if imprecise way to put it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah it’s more a criticism of the ussr in the 80s. Central planning with more tech focus and more democracy would likely not face that specific issue. But also there’s room for shit like kanban communism which definitely wouldn’t have these problems permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) IIRC, the slot CPU thing was because they wanted to get the cache closer to the processor, but hadn't integrated it on-die yet. AMD did the same thing with the original Athlon. On a related note, Intel's anticompetitive and anti- consumer tactics are why I've been buying AMD since the K6-2. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* They had integrated the L2 on-die before that already with the Pentium Pro on Socket 8. IIRC the problem was the yields were exceptionally low on those Pentium Pros and it was specifically the cache failing. So every chip that had bad cache they had to discard or bin it as a lower spec part. The slot and SECC form factor allowed them to use separate silicon on a larger node by having the cache still be on-package (the SECC board) instead of on-die. permalink fedilink source parent [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago AMD followed suit for the memory bandwidth part from the K62 architecture. Intel had no reason to do so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* They had integrated the L2 on-die before that already with the Pentium Pro on Socket 8. IIRC the problem was the yields were exceptionally low on those Pentium Pros and it was specifically the cache failing. So every chip that had bad cache they had to discard or bin it as a lower spec part. The slot and SECC form factor allowed them to use separate silicon on a larger node by having the cache still be on-package (the SECC board) instead of on-die. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago AMD followed suit for the memory bandwidth part from the K62 architecture. Intel had no reason to do so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* It's been at least since the "big iron" days. Technician comes out to upgrade your mainframe and it consists of installing a jumper to enable the extra features. For only a few million dollars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) But otherwise upgrade parts would be too affordable! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bappity@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago the horror permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago No, "user security". permalink fedilink source parent