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U.S. Navy Battleships Would Be a Waste of Steel in a War Against China (nationalinterest.org)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is kind of a nothing article. Like, obviously battleships built in the 40s would be pretty worthless in a peer/near-peer war even if they were in perfect working order. Even at the end of WW2 the utility of battleships was limited, and now missiles out-range their guns by 2 orders of magnitude.

Even the US knows it though, they're all retired museum ships now. They were kept around as long as they were because some politicians had the same fixation on needing them for shore bombardment as they have for keeping low-speed flying bathtubs around for close air support.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

telling a naval officer from the 30s we have 100000 ton nuclear powered capital ships and turning away blinking the tears off when they ask how big the main guns are

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Nobody resurrect naval officers from the 30s until we have rail guns.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I’m half kidding, but since the Spanish American war, Americas entire reasoning for having boats in the water is to have our nation get attacked. We live two oceans away from danger.

It was such a norm in the 20th century, that Bin Laden thought attacking the boat in 2000 was gonna kickstart the Afghan war.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Interestingly enough, Washington treaty basically straight up defined blue water navy as a tool of aggression and nobody was shocked about that because it's what everyone knew since like Persian Wars.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

blowin' a hole in the USS Cole

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Give me USS Liberty or give me death

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

That happened the day before I went to basic training.

It... it should have been a very clear message that I had made the wrong life choice.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

While there is some logic in thinking about armor against cruise missiles, it would be vulnerable to ballistic hypersonics since they attack vertically, not to mention torps and other crap.

And the article is nothingburger anyways because US Navy is even more obviously than US Air Force, an MIC grift that is unable to do things like develop new weapons or systems (as the failures of Zumwalt and LCS shown), unable to even properly retire nuclear carrier, unable to maintain their submarine fleet, and concering the battleships they already have the problem reactivating them last time because most of parts are unavailable for decades.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These things haven't been useful outside of floating museums and reenactments since before I was born.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hey now, they were great for bombing the shit out of small countries that had no serious militaries. You just park one of these bad boys next a country like Iraq and then do a genocide with impunity.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The last battleship was decommissioned in 1992

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It was recommissioned for to bombard Iraq, and they still blew up a gun turret by being idiots and pinned it on a dead guy for allegedly being gay.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

the worst part is they could easily have just said it's been a while since we last operated a battleship and the people who knew are gone so there's a learning curve, and that would have been a plenty acceptable excuse.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The U.S. slowly becoming a paper tiger

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

astronaut-2 astronaut-1

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is it also a waste of lives or...?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

the empire doesn't care about such things