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Trump trial: Prosecutors withhold witness lineup from former president’s team (gazette.com)
submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Prosecutors made the unusual decision this week to remain almost entirely mum about the order in which they planned to call their first witnesses in former President Donald Trump’s hush money trial in New York.

Joshua Steinglass, a prosecutor working on behalf of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, said Friday evening he would let Trump’s attorneys know the name of their first witness on Sunday night, the day before opening arguments in the case are set to begin, according to a report from the courtroom. Trump's defense team had asked for the names of the first three witnesses that prosecutors would call.

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“Mr. Trump has been tweeting about the witnesses," Steinglass told Judge Juan Merchan. "We’re not telling them who the witnesses are.”

Blanche then asked Merchan if he could have the information if he promised Trump would not post on social media about the witnesses, to which Merchan replied that he did not believe Blanche could make such a vow.

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[–] [email protected] 165 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Blanche then asked Merchan if he could have the information if he promised Trump would not post on social media about the witnesses, to which Merchan replied that he did not believe Blanche could make such a vow.

Agree to the terms, and then when Trump inevitably intimidates the first witness, throw his ass in jail until the trail is over. I don't understand why they have to continue to give him special treatment for every single step of the trial. Either the trial process was never meant to handle all possible types of defendants, or it's being applied differently to this case. If it's the former, overhaul the judicial system to make it fit all types of cases, if it's the latter, throw the case to another court where it will be applied equally.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I get the feeling they're trying to avoid martyrdom. He needs to go to prison for the big things, not on technicalities.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, witness intimidation is pretty damn big. And a pretty damn big admission of guilt.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The thing is, he wouldn't do it openly. He'd pass the names to an assistant who would make some anonymous posts online and let it go from there. Sure, maybe that can be proven in another trial, but that's too far away to help the witnesses or to avoid slowing this case

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago

You're talking about the guy who just says whatever the hell is on his mind at the time.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He is too stupid to keep his mouth shut. The problem is the courts are too cowardly to enforce their own gag orders.

"Please stop tweeting about the clerks and family members of the court." [He immediately tweets about the clerks and family members.] "Oh, ok, please have a 10 day extension and we'll give you a far lesser bond."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Once you put it like that, it's just laughable how much they've pampered this asshole. And he still. Fucking. Complains.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

The entire right wing and Christian movements in the US seems to be based on nothing on persecution syndrome. It's just moaning about how oppressed they are day in an day out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

he wouldn't do it openly

...where have you been for the past 7 years plus change?

He does MOST of his crimes openly and the rest he publicly brags about later!

There's literally NO way he'd ever try to make his witness tampering discreet. That would be like expecting Guy Fieri to cook without ketchup 😛

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

People only need to go to jail or prison for crimes. Witness intimidation is a crime.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

I think many consider witness intimidation to be a big thing. Threatening judges/advocates/... is big, doxing their families as a form of intimidation goes beyond even that. They should have never let them (not just Trump, but also others who were making threats or encouraging others to make threats) get away with it.

That it gets a pass as "not bad enough" is indicative of how far the USA civil society has fallen.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

He needs to not be treated like a fucking king because he isn't one. Presidents are just people who happen to be elected, and shouldn't get treated like royalty.

Worrying about making him a martyr is counterproductive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Presidents are just people who happen to be elected

Some of them not even that, such as himself and first term Dubya.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

He is already claiming to be a martyr since being charged for all the civil and criminal indictments

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

why they have to continue to give him special treatment for every single step

Because the US "justice" system is very conservative and Frank Wilhoit was absolutely right in this characterization:

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition ... There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect

Trump is in the in-group no matter what and anyone who displeases the fascist man-child and his cult in any way is in the out-group. No matter what.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's this but also they have to give him every possible consideration because any possibility where they end up having any kind of misstep gives him the opportunity for either a mistrial or to have the whole damn thing thrown out on appeal so they have to make sure they get their ducks in a row perfectly before doing absolutely anything. Otherwise you're going to have that little dehydrated mango get off and be out and running around on atechnicalityy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they have to give him every possible consideration

No they don't. They pretend that they do but they actually don't.

any possibility where they end up having any kind of misstep gives him the opportunity for either a mistrial or to have the whole damn thing thrown out

You don't get a mistrial for your actions having the consequences prescribed by the law.

I know it feels like that because everyone has adopted the media's deference to lunatics and crooks, but you cannot get a mistrial without an extremely serious breech of rules.

It's an excuse for treating him with kid gloves, not a valid reason for doing so.

they have to make sure they get their ducks in a row perfectly before doing absolutely anything

They really don't, no. This isn't Congress where you just make up the rules yourself as you go along. This is a court of law where what you can and cannot do is clearly defined. That can not only bind you from misconduct but also protect you from negative consequences of following the rules.

Otherwise you're going to have that little dehydrated mango get off and be out and running around on atechnicalityy.

That's not how "getting off on a technicality" works. For that to happy, someone has to make a mistake that is against the rule. Holding him accountable for his words and actions according to the letter of the law can't set him free.

I'm frankly sick and tired of everyone using that completely invalid excuse every time he shits on the whole concept of law and a just society without incurring any consequences.

ENOUGH!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

You don't get a mistrial for your actions having the consequences prescribed by the law.

Unless you have a really good lawyer. But none of them will work for him at this point.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It sucks, but I don't believe anything will happen to him. The secret service will never let him go to jail with the commoners. The best we can hope for is house arrest, frozen assets, and limited WiFi. He will stil run for office and his people will vote for him. It would make a funny tv show to have a president who couldn't leave his home and had every visitor and phone call vetted and monitored.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The secret service will never let him go to jail with the commoners.

There's a motion being proposed to remove secret service for any individual who gets themselves convicted of a felony.

Of course the Republicans will ensure that it will fail to be passed, but it's still an interesting thing to think about.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Funny on TV, not in real life 😭

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Well, at least then maybe his communications detail could keep him and his cronies on encrypted systems. I know someone who worked on his detail, and they were always chasing Trump’s people down to stop them from using unapproved unsecured channels.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

The secret service will never let him go to jail with the commoners.

He can go to a military prison where it wont be an issue. Throw him in solitary or under armed guard and he can waste away his life reading cat and the hat and other reading level appropriate books.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

The won't give him the contempt of court charges he deserves. Acknowledging that at least allows them to make better decisions even if they aren't doing the right thing.

Fuck this two tiered justice bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

The rich and powerful never get treated with the same distain and lack of dignity that the non-wealthy in this country are treated with in our fucked up judicial system. And Trump has proven it over and over again as he never sees any real consequences for what he's done.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The real solution would be for the judge to issue a gag order that would automatically result in Trump being thrown in Riker's if he violates it. He has had more than enough unenforced warnings across his trials that immediate contempt of court and incarceration would be reasonable in a just world.

Unfortunately we live in this one where he will only get a limited amount of time to intimidate witnesses.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Trump being thrown in Riker’s

Which would result in me posting Riker...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I’ll allow it.