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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Some of the jokes were ok, mostly its messaging felt like what an out of touch liberal thinks feminism sounds like.

Lost it when they defeated the patriarchy by vote-ing harder than anyone has ever done before.

Also, this has got to be the first movie I've seen that is pro-voter disenfranchisement.

The two Kens unaffected by the patriarchy being shitty queer stereotypes annoyed me but not sufficiently that I wasn't like soypoint-1 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 soypoint-2 at one of them being Rob Brydon.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Lost it when they defeated the patriarchy by -ing harder than anyone has ever done before.

That was an exceptionally out of touch, arrogant, and even self-defeating moment. Not just the presumption that vote matters but that preventing people from vote is a valid and good tactic.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It kinda is a good tactic though lol

Fascists have employed it lots of times

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I didn't say it didn't work; I'm saying it works well in the worst possible way as it already does in Burgerland where there's one voting center for millions of us-foreign-policy wheras the Rascal scooter gang can vote in seconds in an air conditioned golf course dining hall and that's a bad thing done by bad people.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

The movie, from what I could tell, is trying to demonstrate the ideas of how patriarchy works by getting the audience to feel bad for the Kens, who (like women in the real work) hold no positions of power and are the "second sex," accessories of the Barbies but not whole persons themselves. Then the Kens rebel, but they don't break the Ken/Babrie dichotomy, instead replacing matriarchy by patriarchy which obviously doesn't work. The main Barbie is clearly not OK with this status quo, hence why she leaves in the end, because she sees "her" Ken as a real person worthy of being enfranchised and elevated to the status of human. The Barbie world is just an inversion of our world, and it doesn't seem to me the movie is saying that's a "good" thing so much as it's using that inversion to explore what patriarchy is and what it means. Just because a movie shows you something doesn't mean it endorses it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Just because a movie shows you something doesn't mean it endorses it.

That may be true, but there's also a spectrum that ranges from Verhoeven style miscalculations of how the majority of the audience will process something on one end, and on the other it's not-condoning-but-wink-wink-nudge-nudge cryptochuddery.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

In no part of my post did I say that this movie presented the status quo of Barbieland's matriarchy as a positive thing.

One thing it fails to adequately address in its discussion of patriarchy is how it's enforced upon society. In the film's conception of patriarchy it's a component of society that has always existed and feminism (Keninism?) is a reaction to the natural status of things. As opposed to how the patriarchy of the real world is the product of centuries of hegemonic enforcement.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think that the choice not to present the origins of patriarchy necessarily means it's being shown as the natural state of things. It just means that they didn't think that was an important thing to include. That's definitely a decision you can (and should) level valid criticism at, but I think that's different from saying they're presenting it as natural.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That is a fair point.

Ultimately, Barbie is essentially an extended toy advert with some basic level feminist thought tacked on. We can debate 'till the cows come home about what it did right and what it did wrong, but something so mass marketed will always be lacking when you try to get into the reeds of it all.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It does feel like the feminism is pretty core to the movie to me, perhaps even more so than the toy advertness (since the specifics of the movie don't really matter as much as that it's a hit movie named after and featuring the toy). However, it definitely does constrict the space within its feminism can operate, which I think is most clear in how it treats Mattel as well as capitalism in general.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Absolutely, I think you're right in that the movie is still fundamentally out of touch liberal feminism but perhaps I'm a bit kinder to it than you are. Certainly assuming that "natural" state of patriarchy is a major flaw with how all liberals think; nothing is ever historicised, nothing was ever created or evolved, it's always been like this and therefore to change anything is difficult, oft times inconceivable. To admit the patriarchy was made is to admit it can and will be unmade, and that it is propped up by centuries, millenia even, of violence, violence almost enitely absent in the movie. Granted, at the end of the day it's just a long ad for a toy anyway.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Also, this has got to be the first movie I've seen that is pro-voter disenfranchisement.

Without a shadow of a doubt, this has got to be one of the interpretations of all time

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well there's the whole plot thread where the Barbies all heroically work together to make sure none of the Kens can vote.

I don't think the intended message was voter suppression is good, but that's how it shook out imho.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Electoralism and voter suppression (effectively) will solve patriarchy is a kinda sus conclusion to roughly 30 minutes of dialogue appropriately identifying the isolation of capitalism and the failures of feminism under patriarchy

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Good review, appreciate it! I am also now going soypoint-1 soypoint-2 at Rob Brydon being in this film, I had no idea lmao

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The two Kens unaffected by the patriarchy being shitty queer stereotypes

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That seems like some proper gen x brainworms from whoever wrote or directed the movie.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that was one of the especially terrible parts of the movie. yea

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I didn't even really notice when I watched it because to me it felt like even the straight Kens were kinda queer stereotypes most of the movie

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Noah “families are broken by repression” Baumbach and Greta “Mumblecore Darling” Gerwig wrote it so it’s the perfect blend of gen x brainworms and Milennial cope

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

40 year olds are millenials now? Damn time is going by fast

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Irrepressible thoughts of death intensify

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it doesn't feel like it was supposed to be spiteful. This film radiates out of touch boomer liberal energy.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I found Barbie and Ken's journeys of self discovery pretty funny.

Ken's self actualisation comes from rocking out with his boys and doing sick dance battles.

Barbie gets a UTI.

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