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Some of the jokes were ok, mostly its messaging felt like what an out of touch liberal thinks feminism sounds like.

Lost it when they defeated the patriarchy by vote-ing harder than anyone has ever done before.

Also, this has got to be the first movie I've seen that is pro-voter disenfranchisement.

The two Kens unaffected by the patriarchy being shitty queer stereotypes annoyed me but not sufficiently that I wasn't like soypoint-1 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 soypoint-2 at one of them being Rob Brydon.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

In no part of my post did I say that this movie presented the status quo of Barbieland's matriarchy as a positive thing.

One thing it fails to adequately address in its discussion of patriarchy is how it's enforced upon society. In the film's conception of patriarchy it's a component of society that has always existed and feminism (Keninism?) is a reaction to the natural status of things. As opposed to how the patriarchy of the real world is the product of centuries of hegemonic enforcement.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think that the choice not to present the origins of patriarchy necessarily means it's being shown as the natural state of things. It just means that they didn't think that was an important thing to include. That's definitely a decision you can (and should) level valid criticism at, but I think that's different from saying they're presenting it as natural.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That is a fair point.

Ultimately, Barbie is essentially an extended toy advert with some basic level feminist thought tacked on. We can debate 'till the cows come home about what it did right and what it did wrong, but something so mass marketed will always be lacking when you try to get into the reeds of it all.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It does feel like the feminism is pretty core to the movie to me, perhaps even more so than the toy advertness (since the specifics of the movie don't really matter as much as that it's a hit movie named after and featuring the toy). However, it definitely does constrict the space within its feminism can operate, which I think is most clear in how it treats Mattel as well as capitalism in general.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Absolutely, I think you're right in that the movie is still fundamentally out of touch liberal feminism but perhaps I'm a bit kinder to it than you are. Certainly assuming that "natural" state of patriarchy is a major flaw with how all liberals think; nothing is ever historicised, nothing was ever created or evolved, it's always been like this and therefore to change anything is difficult, oft times inconceivable. To admit the patriarchy was made is to admit it can and will be unmade, and that it is propped up by centuries, millenia even, of violence, violence almost enitely absent in the movie. Granted, at the end of the day it's just a long ad for a toy anyway.

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