Sort of a follow up to my topic asking why NDE Research wasn't taken seriously. Which btw I got great replies to.

I was expecting the usual "Oh near death isn't REALLY death." And "Because its bullshit." Strawman non answers

But instead I got people interfacing with the data and pointing out that an afterlife was no the direction the data headed outside of spirituality circles that did not interpret the data correctly to begin with.

So looking at how everything to do with conciousness leads to the brain and how we have discovered that a sense of self separate from the body is illusionary.

I have to ask

Is it an open secret that the afterlife is debunked?

I can find tons of arguments and information against it and the only thing supporting basically going "Well the brain is your conciousness but no one knows for sure."

So a "I'm not saying no, but I sure as hell am not saying yes." Being the strongest yes isn't exactly reassuring. It makes me think the "I don't know" is actually a "no" trying to be polite

I guess I've always been confused by the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Physics and the fact that it's taken seriously. Like is there any proof at all that universes outside of our own exist?

I admit that I might be dumb, but, how does one look at atoms and say "My God! There must be many worlds than just our one?"

I just never understood how Many Worlds Interpretation was valid, with my, admittedly limited understanding, it just seemed to be a wild guess no more strange than a lot things we consider too outlandish to humor.

So forgive me if this topic borders too much on religion, but this is something I've never understood.

For those who don't know what an NDE is, its a observed phenomenon where someone who is considered clinically or even full on brain dead. But then the person is revived and explains they had a sensation of floating out of their body and even observe the doctors working on them, some even claim to have heard conversations from far away, spoken with dead relatives, and some even claimed to have seen despite being blind.

Oh my god. Proof that souls exist, theologians rejoice, we have debunked materialism and proven life after death.

Only hold on not quite. No one buys it outside of a devoted few with various objections claiming it to be hallucination, the result of drugs, or even hoaxes perpetuated by the religious.

Except research conducted by men like Sam Parnia rules that out and shows that conciousness persists after death.

So.. afterlife confirmed right? No people just label Parnia crazy and continue to say this is nothing, even after the debunks fail to land. Even after this gets reported thousands of times in various regions and the only thing that changes is whether people see Jesus, Grandma, or Shiva.. aside from that little detail they remain uniform.

And well I never understood why.

I asked skeptics and they claim that the people are merely near death, not actually dead and thus it doesn't count.

Only problem is that even if the person is barely clinging onto life there's still the issue of conciousness being strong and present where none can exist.

If my computer's power supply was on the fritz and stopped working for a second yet my computer remained just as functional as ever during the few moments the PSU wasn't working. I'd consider that an oddity. I wouldn't say "Oh the PSU still kinda works, the fact that it completely tapped out for a solid three-minutes yet my PC stayed on is not weird at all."

So to say "Oh they're just NEAR death." Is simply moving the goal post and not a satisfactory answer.

I ask proponents and they tell me that NDEs are completely proven and that the afterlife is for realsies, but big bad Academia won't listen to anything that contradicts a physicalist view of the universe.

The problem with that is that's the excuse creationists give as to why no one believes the Earth is 6000 years old. Which is so blatantly falsified by even a cursory glance at science that its not even funny.

So that's not it. Unless I want to entertain conspiracy nonsense. Which I do not.

So I ask the scientifically trained what the real answer is, because obviously I missed something in all the data on NDEs that I'm simply too dense to figure out.

I'm trying to delete my account and start over fresh but everytime I remove my phone number it says that "suspicious activity" has been detected and the only way to verify my account is to put the phone number back on.

Can someone please help me stop this circular logic?