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'Religion has mastered one remarkable skill: surviving without evidence. For thousands of years, gods have been proposed, worshiped, feared, obeyed, and defended yet never independently verified. This is not a minor oversight. In every other domain of human knowledge, claims without evidence are discarded. Only in religion are they protected, revered, and shielded from scrutiny. Atheism begins with a simple, unromantic question: Where is the evidence? Not the feelings, not the traditions, not the anecdotes but the verifiable, testable, independently confirmable evidence. When that question is asked honestly, belief systems that rely on revelation and authority rather than observation begin to wobble.

Faith is often praised as a virtue. In practice, it is an admission of ignorance dressed up as confidence. Faith exists precisely where evidence does not. No one has “faith” that gravity works or that germs cause disease. Those are facts established through experiment and replication. Faith only enters when knowledge fails. If faith were a reliable path to truth, different religions would converge on the same conclusions. Instead, they contradict one another on every fundamental claim how many gods exist, what they want, who they favour, and what happens after death. Billions of believers, thousands of gods, zero consensus. Why should we treat any one of them as special?

A popular apologetic claim is that religion “invented” science or was its primary driver. History tells a messier story. Scientific progress emerged when thinkers began questioning authority including religious authority and insisting on evidence over scripture. Copernicus, Galileo, Darwin, and countless others faced religious resistance, not encouragement. The Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism. Protestant leaders rejected evolution. Even today, creationism and intelligent design attempt to smuggle theology into science classrooms despite overwhelming biological evidence to the contrary.

Another common claim is that without God, morality collapses. This argument misunderstands both morality and human behaviour. Moral systems existed long before monotheistic religions and vary widely across cultures. Empathy, cooperation, and fairness are products of social evolution, not divine command. If morality truly came from God, believers would behave demonstrably better than nonbelievers. They do not. Study after study shows no consistent correlation between religiosity and moral behaviour, and some of the least religious countries score highest on measures of social trust, equality, and well-being. Prayer is often described as powerful, transformative, and effective until it is tested. Controlled studies consistently show that intercessory prayer has no measurable effect on recovery, illness, or outcomes. In some cases, being told you are prayed for worsens outcomes due to performance anxiety. If prayer worked the way believers claim, hospitals would replace ICUs with chapels. They do not. Why? Because when lives are on the line, even believers trust medicine, not miracles. Why is scepticism encouraged everywhere except religion? Why are children taught to question advertisements, politicians, and strangers but not gods? Why is doubt framed as intellectual honesty in science and rebellion in theology?

What would happen if religious claims were held to the same standards as scientific ones? If holy books were treated like hypotheses? If miracles required evidence before belief? Would anything remain? Atheism Is Not Nihilism It Is Responsibility. Atheism offers no cosmic rewards, no eternal surveillance, no divine forgiveness loopholes. That is precisely its strength. Meaning is not handed down; it is constructed. Morality is not outsourced; it is owned. There is no god to blame, no plan to hide behind. If this life is the only one, we know we have, then cruelty is less excusable, not more. Kindness matters now. Justice matters now. Truth matters now. And that is what makes atheism unsettling not that it removes meaning, but that it removes excuses. If faith is a reliable path to truth, why does it produce contradictory conclusions? Why are religious claims exempt from the standards applied to every other claim? If morality comes from God, why do moral intuitions change over time and culture? What belief would you abandon if evidence disproved it and why should religion be different?,

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Davis, they argued, inherited quite a bit of money and land when her mother died—her share was worth over $400,000—but she immediately transferred her half of the property to other members of her family so that the courts couldn’t take it away from her.

Hilarious. Really living up to what Jesus preached, right?

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I've been a UFC fan for about 25 years. Despite all the shit that has been going on with Dana and Trump, I've tried to stick with it. Even bought a Paramount sub to continue watching. But I'm having a super-hard time with all the fighters being required to say something to the effect of "First of all I need to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ".

This seems like a big push by Dana and right-wing politics to force some weird religious reckoning on fight fans, and casual viewers alike.

Do they think that a huge cadre of rando-fans will be like, "Oh shit, I should go to church tomorrow, because I need to spread the Gospel after Danny Badass told me to thank Jesus" after watching a fight?

Thoughts? Opinions? Left and right encouraged. I really want a cross-section of both sides here. Thanks!

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The New Apostolic Reformation once sat on the extreme fringes of Christianity. Since, they've strategized their way into the most powerful rooms in America. Their target: democracy.

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Ah! This explains why I feel nothing when I pray... it's because of the Nephalim bloodline!

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I've been listening to Dan McClellan, CJ Cornthwaite, and Bart Ehrman a lot recently. I put two and two together the other day.

The Gospel of Mark shows a Jesus that was highly influenced by the book of Daniel. (We can see this in things like "Son of man", "kingdom of god"). This makes sense because it was composed partially in Aramaic, the language Jesus was probably most familiar with, and would have been circulating a lot at the time (as shown by the dead sea scrolls at Qumran). N.T. Wright says:

The Book of Daniel was central to how Jesus taught and who he understood himself to be.

Biblical scholars widely agree that the book of Daniel was written well after the timeframe it purports to be from. The book retrojects prophecy (by that I mean it pretends to predict the future but is actually "predicting" the past) to forge authority, for apocalyptic prophecies that it goes on to make.

The gospel of mark portrays a Jesus fooled by this forgery. Is it possible for a thinking person to reconcile these observations, with a belief in a Jesus with divine knowledge/wisdom?

Fundamentalists will reject the scholarly consensus about the date of Daniel's composition, but what about moderate Christians?

Am I wrong? Could I explain things more clearly? I've never seen this idea articulated clearly before, but it seems very obvious now, I'm not sure it's of any interest.

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Seriously, should these words even exist? I don’t think so. I prefer to say “Normal” person over “Atheist” person or “Nonbeliever” person.

The word “Atheism” denotes a negation of theism, but in reality, that negation of theism is what all newborns start with. That is the default behavior; that is the normal behavior. I never saw a Chimp at zoo going to Sunday Schools.

It is us, the human society in general, who dump this theism BS on kids, at an age when they can't even reason by themselves (pretty convenient age to try to convince and convert eh?)

For context, my Dad has always been a skeptic, and as he became old, he started to be a hardcore agnostic - so I was never brought up in a family of faith (thankfully) - and so I never had to struggle with any “deconstruction”, as some of us had to. All my encounters with religion has been while interacting with my peers, colleagues and neighbors. To me, growing up without any faith was totally normal, because that's how I happened to be raised. And by the time I encountered religion, I already had enough cognitive capacity to recognize and reject that as BS.

Enough ramblings, but my point is that theists brought in a claim (about invisible Sky Daddy) that can't be proven, so the burden of proof stays with them. We don't have to “negate” a fiction. I dislike the word “Atheist” (although I respect the intended purpose of that in this present time), but I still prefer to say we are “normal”.

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Religiously unaffiliated people most strongly believe that empathy is a foundational moral value. Note that doesn't necessarily mean atheists; people who believe in God but don't associate with any particular religion would be in that group. In fact, I can't find any information about whether atheists are included in this survey, or if this was exclusively a survey of religious people.

Interesting (but not exactly surprising) results here. Makes me glad that "religiously unaffiliated" is the fastest growing religion in the U.S.

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cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/47091642

https://www.oglaf.com/threekings/

Alt textBitcoins in your christmas pudding

Title textHalloween is the devil's holiday and even bad kids get candy.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_Allah_ibn_Sa'd

I can’t believe I haven’t come across this guy’s story before - he was a scribe for Muhammad who was skeptical, and purposefully messed up his transcripts to test their veracity. What a legend! Check out the section on ‘During Prophet Muhammad’s Era’

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Here are my top 3:

  1. Whataboutism with Christainity - I've been a vocal critic of islam in atheist spaces for well over a decade. There has not been a single instance of me criticizing islam where I did not get a hoard of atheists bringing up Christianity for no reason. There's no relevance and no point to it, but they get really mad when I try to focus on islam. It's like why can't they just accept that islam or other religions can be criticized on their own merits independently?

  2. Self centered American atheists - Whenever I ever bring up my and my family's experiences in the middle east and how horrible islam is over there, there will always be a handful of ignorant American atheists who can't comprehend that the world is more than their country. No ISIS and your dumb MAGA uncle are not the same.

  3. "All religions are bad" - I hate this statement because it's like "all lives matter". Yeah, no shit all religions are bad. That's literally the baseline of any atheist community. All the discussions lie in the nuances beyond that. Smearing this statement all over atheist spaces is completely meaningless.

What about you guys? Are there any things in the atheist community that you noticed that make your eyes twitch? I would love to hear them.

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If God exists, why does he behave like a narcissistic absentee landlord with a flair for blood rituals and dietary restrictions? The Abrahamic deity, revered across continents, seems less like a cosmic architect and more like a Bronze Age tribal chieftain with anger management issues. Yet billions genuflect before him daily. Religious faith is often praised as a virtue. But what other domain celebrates belief without evidence? Would you board a plane built by someone who “just felt” the wings would hold? Would you trust a surgeon who prays instead of sterilizing instruments? Richard Dawkins famously called faith “a process of non-thinking.” Yet society elevates it above reason, as if ignorance were a badge of honour. Why is faith exempt from the scrutiny we apply to every other claim? Religion thrives not because it is true, but because it is comforting. It offers immortality, cosmic justice, and a celestial surveillance system that rewards obedience. Freud called religion “a universal obsessional neurosis.” Is it any wonder that belief correlates strongly with existential insecurity? Consider: If you were guaranteed eternal life through science, would you still need God? Or is belief merely a coping mechanism dressed in sacred robes? The Bible commands love, yet sanctions genocide (see Deuteronomy 20:16). It preaches humility yet demands worship. It forbids murder yet glorifies divine slaughter. If morality comes from God, why does it resemble the ethics of a medieval warlord? Sam Harris argues that morality predates religion and is better served by reason and empathy than by scripture. So why do we outsource ethics to ancient texts? Enter the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Church of the SubGenius, and the Invisible Pink Unicorn parody religions that expose the absurdity of faith by mimicking its structure. Ethan Quillen’s “The Satirical Sacred” explores how these mock faiths challenge religious privilege and reveal the arbitrary nature of belief. Ask yourself: If a belief system is indistinguishable from parody, should it be taken seriously? Religion is not benign. It fuels sectarian violence, suppresses scientific progress, and enforces archaic social norms. From the Crusades to anti-vaccine movements, faith has often been a force of regression. Shouldn’t beliefs be judged by their consequences? Religion persists not because it is rational, but because it is ritualized, institutionalized, and incentivized. It is a cultural fossil revered, untouchable, and absurd. The atheist does not merely reject God; he rejects the intellectual laziness that sustains Him. Do you believe because it is true, or because you were told to? And if the answer is the latter, what else might you be wrong about?'

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"Florida Man commands people sell their possessions and follow him into the hills swamps"

"Florida Man puts mud into blind person's eyes."

"Florida Man Found in giant box with animals from the zoo after surviving the huricane. 40 days at sea."

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/52897112

Iowa city council debates proper time in meeting agenda to "undo the curse that was just put on our city."

An Iowa man has kicked off controversy over religious freedom in the small town of Ottumwa, Iowa by opening a city council meeting with a prayer to Satan, which then kicked off a debate about the proper time in the meeting agenda to undo the “curse.”

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