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[-] [email protected] 194 points 2 weeks ago

Well that's the worst headline I have read in a while

[-] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The fact that there's shares to be had for denying care is crazy. They know denying care is their business! Meaning that the money they didn't spend on your care doesn't go back into the pot for everyone in your group, they are pocketing some of the money whenever they deny someone. That's it. They don't help anyone but themselves. There should be a requirement that insurance companies publicly announce how much money they made from denying care

[-] [email protected] 166 points 2 weeks ago

Literally and with no exaggeration, death panels. You know, the ones Republicans were yelling about a few years ago. Those exact fucking ones.

[-] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago

Those same ones who screamed about fema prisons... At some point, we'll catch on that these conspiracy theories are actual plans...

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago

The question is: which came first? The conspiracy theory, or the plan? It could go either way with the party of family values.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ah, see, there's your problem: you're using a slight mistranslation. A common mistake. They were never the party of "Family Values". They're the party of "Family Valuations". They exist to find a way to put a number on every family, either "amount of money we can squeeze out of them" or "amount of money we can make by destroying them", and they get bonuses from their corpocratic upstream if they can manage both at the same time.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

Every accusation is a confession, right? That's how conservatives work. They're unimaginative people with poor empathy. They think about what they would do and assume that's what everyone else would do, too. They are trash. Failures. Disappointments.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

More than that: fully automated death panels.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

These don't count because they're just software and the designers can feign complete innocence because of the black-box nature of AI decision-making.

There are reasons they want AI in charge of so many things. It's not because they think AI can do a better job.

And also, AI makes pictures of Trump riding tanks and fist-bumping Jesus so it has to be perfect and awesome, right?

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[-] [email protected] 95 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

As I get older and need the healthcare system more, I have had this realization that except for cosmetic surgery no one uses healthcare that they don’t need. Like, no one is out there trying to scam their insurance company out of a free colonoscopy. They get that procedure because they don’t want to die. Rejecting claims should be illegal. The goal of the healthcare system should be to treat people. Insurance is the wrong paradigm to manage healthcare because implicitly it’s built around rationing resources.

We don’t do this with food, and yet healthcare is a basic need. What do we do as a society to meet our food needs? We scale up. We plant megatons of crops. We build new technologies to be able to produce more. Why with healthcare do we not do the same? Med schools should accept more than 2% of applicants. The number of doctors in the US is kept artificially low. Also, let people interested in medicine attend abbreviated university programs. Skip the 4 year bachelors and get your med school degree directly in 5-6 years like they do in the UK. Redirect all the overhead and money spent on insurance to building hospitals and hiring doctors.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The goal of the healthcare system should be to treat people.

The goal of a good healthcare system is to treat people. The goal of ours is to treat the rich to another yacht. Healthcare providers bill far above cost for profit, knowing that either the insurance or the patient will have no choice but to eat the cost. Insurance providers use high healthcare costs to justify high policy prices and then do unethical shit to avoid paying out.

The hospitals make money. The insurance company makes money. The shareholders and corporate owners make money. The people needing healthcare get screwed.

The system is, unfortunately, working as intended for those who benefit from it being the way it is.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Med schools should accept more than 2% of applicants.

The problem is a lack of residencies, and there’s been lobbying to keep the number of residencies low, to keep doctor wages high.

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[-] [email protected] 79 points 2 weeks ago

Well I'm sure it'll be all fair and definitely not
DENIED
DENIED
DENIED
DENIED
DENIED CHACHING
DENIED CHACHING
CHACHING
CHACHING
CHACHING

Oh no, that'll deffo not happen. No way!!!

[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Going to be weird when they let Luigi Mangione out and the head of CMS immediately unalives.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We can, but it's getting deeper than that. Algorithmic censorship is leading to changes in the real world English language.

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[-] [email protected] 60 points 2 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 56 points 2 weeks ago

AI companies going to start generating fake claims and denying them for rewards, I guarantee it.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's the best possible outcome.

The more likely outcome is a lot of people are going to die or suffer needlessly.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

Is there a name for the next step beyond perverse incentives?

Because that's where we are now.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Kleptocracy. They just aren't bothering to hide the fact that they're selling off the government for parts anymore

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

Here's your head of Medicare.

Good Ol' Doctor Oz.

Big profile you should be able to track him down easy in the wee hours of the morning to ask some questions as any good citizen of someone representing their interests.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/mehmet-oz.html

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

I'm still incapable of fully accepting that's real.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

I fucking hate the future, man.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Officials assert that the AI tools will only be used to judge claims for about a dozen different types of procedures it deems to be wasteful and providing little benefit, including steroid shots to relieve pain, per the NYT.

Yeah cause people on medicare aren't likely to need steroid shots for things like joint pain or anything. Anyone 65 and older should start saving their money now to pay for their steroid shots that are going to start costing them a couple hundred bucks a pop.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

As someone who lives with constant pain, calling pain relief of any kind "wasteful" enrages me. See if pain relief has "little benefit" when im done with you, mufucka

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

So they will approve more claims to avoid paying, right... Right?

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I said, lying.

The machine won't let me get treatment for the thing that makes me narrate my actions, I explained with a weary sigh.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

You don’t need AI for that….


#!/usr/bin/env python3

def main():
    try:
        _ = input("Enter reasoning for claim: ")  # read but ignore the input
        print("denied")                # always respond "denied"
    except (EOFError, KeyboardInterrupt):
        # Even if input is interrupted, still respond "denied"
        print("denied")

if __name__ == "__main__":
    main()

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

This is the point. They want to erase any legacy either of them left. Trump is a petty little asshole who is still mad that Obama made fun of him once.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

In the radio business they call that "payola", and it is very much illegal.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

So, reject everything and let appeals sort it out.

We got you fam.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago

So bribe the private sector to deny all claims routed through them first for government healthcare and then claim 'gUbmEnT dEAtH pANEls!' are the problem.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

something something video game character from a nintendo game who's colors are from mixing blue+yellow... 😏

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

I've wondered this for a while: Insurance is a contractual obligation on the insurer's part, right? What's stopping me from just suing them for breach of contract rather than going through their appeals process if they illegally deny my claim?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

Probably some terms and conditions you signed as part of the contract

[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

What's stopping me from just suing them for breach of contract rather than going through their appeals process if they illegally deny my claim?

The cost of a lawyer that can hope to match theirs. They don't care if it loses them money as long as it deters others from trying the same.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

I guess "death panels" are fine if they are machines?

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

If it makes anyone feel better, they denied everything when it was humans running the show too

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Ah! Americans need to be willing to dig deep—really tough it out—to cut costs and save as much money as AI makes possible so that the government can give just 1 more penny to the billionaires. Won't someone please think of the billionaires?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

What’s the fucking point of paying for it anymore? Might as well not even have it at this point…

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

It should be illegal for anyone but a doctor to deny a claim. This isn't even going to be AI, its just going to be a program that denies everything.

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[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

what the fuck kind of country looks to save billions of dollars spent on healthcare for their own citizens instead of waste fraud & abuse by the uber wealthy, or the military?

you can have an insanely strong military without the waste & fraud that exists in the US

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

This is FUCKING enraging.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't know I still had any faith to lose in the insurance industry. At this point anyone in a management position is undeniably evil, in all senses of the word. I wish nothing but the worst for them.

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