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The reposts and expressions of shock from public figures followed quickly after a user on the social platform X who uses a pseudonym claimed that a government website had revealed “skyrocketing” rates of voters registering without a photo ID in three states this year — two of them crucial to the presidential contest.

“Extremely concerning,” X owner Elon Musk replied twice to the post this past week.

“Are migrants registering to vote using SSN?” Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, an ally of former President Donald Trump, asked on Instagram, using the acronym for Social Security number.

Trump himself posted to his own social platform within hours to ask, “Who are all those voters registering without a Photo ID in Texas, Pennsylvania, and Arizona??? What is going on???”

Yet by the time they tried to correct the record, the false claim had spread widely. In three days, the pseudonymous user’s claim amassed more than 63 million views on X, according to the platform’s metrics. A thorough explanation from Richer attracted a fraction of that, reaching 2.4 million users.

The incident sheds light on how social media accounts that shield the identities of the people or groups behind them through clever slogans and cartoon avatars have come to dominate right-wing political discussion online even as they spread false information.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying, and why, but it's a really bad idea. Force people to use their real identities online and you'll end up with people no longer talking or they'll be killed.

Also, this single identity is impossible to implement on the technical level. It's too easy to cheat with that,.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

or they'll be killed.

I feel like this risk is drastically overblown. Every LGBTQ person isn't going to be hunted down by some deranged lunatic just for speaking their mind.

If you're in Afghanistan dealing with the Taliban, fine I'll buy that you need anonymity. However, for those of us average folks in a western country that still has reasonable laws on the books... I don't see it happening.

Most people are already trivially doxable. If you really wanted to, I'm sure you could figure out how to come to my residence and harm me if you were sufficiently motivated (please don't, that would be a major downer).

I've had plenty of arguments on the Internet, thus far that hasn't happened. Most people just want to live their life...

This also goes the other way too, the nastiest people/the ones making repeated threats could be more quickly identified/stopped from making those threats, creating swarms of harassment accounts, cheaters could be stopped in games because a ban would be a "no you are really truly banned for X number of years" (and those of us that enjoy multiplayer video games could stop having to install ever more invasive software on our computers).

I think there's a time and place for anonymity; anonymity has certainly allowed history to be changed for the better in the past, but I don't think it should be the default (it never has been until very recent history)... and I'm very concerned that anonymity could end up changing history for worse (and already has).

Trump may never have been elected if the broader public wasn't flooded with anonymous "supporters" in 2016 and those of us arguing for Clinton ended up wasting time arguing with bots.

Also, this single identity is impossible to implement on the technical level. It's too easy to cheat with that.

No idea what you mean by this. It's pretty easy to have a single identity and/or government verifiable identity system.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Telling people they are over reacting to death threats is a take...

It is "easy" to have a single Identity system, but that doesn't address the criticism of it being difficult to secure. But either way, it seems Florida has volunteered for this experiment with the age restriction for social media.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Telling people they are over reacting to death threats is a take...

That's a gross oversimplification of my comment, by a brand new account too, very cool.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's a charitable simplification too. I'm not the one that emphasized that not every LGBTQ person is going to be hunted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Because it's absurd to say that nobody would be harmed; speaking in absolutes is the antithetical of intelligent discussion for complex issues.

How many LGBTQ people were killed because Trump and all the faux Trump supporting accounts weren't stopped in 2016? How many more will be killed if this problem of bot accounts, nation state actors, and people making threats with 0 accountability isn't solved and disinformation and extremism spreads further?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Never underestimate the need for privacy in this world. In WWII local resistance cells would blow up government registration offices so that the Nazis wouldn't know who is Jew and who is not. If you're read that Republicans 2025 document, you'd be worried too about the government knowing if you are gay had an abortion or whatnot.

Then, a single government verifiable Identity system. Great! So WHICH government is going todo this? The US government? For all citizens world wide? How would that work, exactly?

Will I only be able to talk with people in my country now to be able to force this? And who will make all sites to use this? What if I have a website hosted in a non participating country? Block that site? Are we going to block millions of sites now?

It's not doable on a practical level because it would only work with a single world government, and even then it's easy to cheat with. If I'm the main administrator for the website, I could simply make a post with your name saying that you want to kill the president. Since it's your name, you go to jail now, somehow? So okay, do we then only allow big sites with paid admins that sign NDA's and contracts that they will not cheat? Are we only going to push bigger sites to do this?

This is not a practical solution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

You raise a lot of questions, but a bombardment of questions doesn't mean there aren't good answers to those questions.

You cite the Nazis, but you might be surprised to learn post-war Germany to this day has harsh laws in this area https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-antisemitic-hate-speech-nazi-propaganda-holocaust-denial/

There's something to be said for protecting people that need protecting, but there's also something to be said for holding propaganda spewing nut jobs accountable and limiting their reach.

Never underestimate the need for privacy in this world.

Also please do not confuse privacy with anonymity. It stops being about your privacy the second you start speaking publicly. Maybe you need privacy to maintain anonymity while doing so, but attacking unfettered anonymity is not an inherent attack on privacy.

Then, a single government verifiable Identity system. Great! So WHICH government is going todo this? The US government? For all citizens world wide? How would that work, exactly?

One idea that's rather simple would be to allow users to show a verified status that's backed by their own government but doesn't actually expose their identity (just that yes, this is a person from e.g. the United States and this is their government linked account). Users could then choose to filter out folks that aren't verified or aren't part of their own country.

For a federated system you could federate a token around that can be checked against government services either client side or server side, periodically.

Since it's your name, you go to jail now, somehow?

Someone stealing someone else's identity is already a serious crime. In the US at least, you're guaranteed a trial and even then this would surely be exceptionally fringe. You could also further protect against this by requiring post to be cryptographically signed, but this is getting to an extreme level of conspiracy.

The fact of the matter is, right now a single person from a foreign country can represent an unlimited number of accounts that are indistinguishable from the account of a person across town. You have no way of knowing whether you're even talking to someone that has residency let alone the right to vote in your country.

That is not healthy political discourse.