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Fucking idiots, if you're willing to go out self immolating, might aswell go for sabotage, given your access. It's one thing when you're a Buddhist monk dedicated to pacifism, but if you're a soldier you don't have that excuse
What a weird response to someone literally killing themselves in an incredibly excruciating and visible manner in an effort to do something. You dont know what this man had access to or what he reasonably could have done. The American military, as evil and genocidal as it is, is not the body carrying out the genocide of Palestinians, Israel is. America is complicit and we are funding them, but theres no way to know if this man had any access to relevant personnel or any higher officials in the US gov. And theres no saying as to whether soemthing like a scuttled jet in some Air Force hanger would make an ounce of difference in Palestine (and this is assuming this guy could have carried out sabotage on that level alone, which is a long shot).
As awful as it may be, the suicide of a service member may be more effective than any other thing he could have done. Propoganda can be, if properly utilized, a far more useful and effective tool than adventurism and individual acts of violence.
Honestly all the fucking "this guy is a loser" shit is 100x more actually reactionary than half the shit I see in the mod log labeled "reactionary." Just so utterly lacking in empathy.
The guy literally fucking killed himself for his beliefs, and his beliefs were "FREE PALESTINE." That is fucking hardcore. I can only hope that I possess even a fraction of the bravery this dude had going to certain death. I'm afraid of dying in general, every way is an awful way. Burning to death is fucking agonizing, one of the worst possible ways you can die, and he chose it because he so strongly supports the Palestinian cause.
"He should have..." fuck you. You should be fucking doing something, armchair revolutionary
Yeah, its depressing. A dude literally killed himself for Palestine. Maybe it was pointless, maybe it wont change anything, but you can be respectful while adressing that.
Yeah agree
"But he was a troop!!!"
so fucking what he fuckin killed himself for Palestine, there's obviously a bit more to this person than "he's an imperialist!!!" like jfc. And I think it's really shitty to downplay the heroism of that act "because it didn't accomplish anything."
let's all self immolate ourselves for Palestine, see how that will go. Better yet, let's start the revolution by all collectively killing ourselves, that will surely make the bourgeois feel sorry about us and just go down. You know the problem with what he did? he wasted his life for NOTHING, this self immolation just like the past few self immolations done for Palestine where the easiest things that the western propaganda swept under the rug, So what if he's a soldier? they'd just wipe it off as a "he was mentally insane, this is all due to male loneliness" nonsense
All would've been better options than self immolating.
What is the difference between this act and adventurism? atleast sometimes with adventurism a fascist dies.
hot take but I'd argue making such a dumbass comment is more of a waste of life than what the soldier did. What have you done for Palestine lately sweetie
I'm Algerian, even if I wanted to do something crazy like take the israeli embassy as a hostage I wouldn't be able to because we don't have and israeli embassy over here, I don't need to raise awareness or protest because everyone here knows what's going on and our government itself is pro Hamas.
How. Literally how. What could that have accomplished? Explain please
And I spelled out the difference between this act and adventurism. We can turn this into pro-Palestine propaganda, adventurism will be turned into Israeli propaganda.
Something more than self immolation, and there's a hundred things he could've done instead of just wasting his life.
You are so naive to believe that the self immolation won't be turned into pro israeli propaganda, easily spinnable as a cult thing... we're talking about a genocide over here the mfs we're dealing with are funding bombing children in Gaza they see the same videos you and I see of kids crying, of ambulances being shot, of parents losing children and children losing parents, do you seriously think that a person setting himself on fire will nudge them? No the only way for them to feel anything is to be hit in the pockets to make this genocide not worth the money they're losing. What benefit will this bring to the Palestinian cause? A tragedy? Comrade if someone's heart felt nothing for people being kicked out of history for 75 years, they'd feel nothing about a soldier killing himself, it just means they won't have to pay him his salary anymore.
Ok so you dont know what to do either.
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You're acting so shitty lol eat me
Ok i'll care what you have to say when you do anything for Palestine then sweaty
Jk just gonna block
Pros: a us soldier died
Cons: he was pro Palestine
Step back
All of those acts would make equally little material difference. A jet that gets scuttled gets fixed, a killed officer gets replaced, leaked information might not be possible and it would just get suppressed. All of those things are great for Israeli propaganda, but self immolation can be used for Palestine. One fascist dying does nothing. Propaganda from their death will just create new fascists. One person's actions have never stopped fascism.
Family?
I'd at least run around the base like Denethor and try to set some furniture on fire too