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[–] 3 points 2 years ago (33 children)

That is a good point, but it should still be on the parents to secure the guns. If you own a gun, it’s on you to also buy whatever you need to keep that gun locked up and safe.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    So I'm curious, what are you charging the parents with in this case or this one or this one.

    You gonna send that second kids mom to jail because her Son stole a gun and killed his father? Do you envision her prison sentence happening during or after she heals up from her own gunshot wounds?

    I'm not trying to be jerk here, I'm trying to expose the need for nuance in these kinds of discussion. Not everything is as simple as "Lock 'em Up!".

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  • I looked through each of your examples and, unless I missed something, none of those cases involved a minor getting the parents insecure gun. First one was a theft from a gun store, the second doesn’t state any details on where the gun came from, and the last one was a gun stolen from police.

    My comments re: parents being responsible is for cases that the parents’ gun is taken by the minor and used in a crime, not any gun crime committed by a minor.

    Again, if I missed something, please let me know.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (30 children)

    I don't have kids. No kids ever visit my house. I don't flaunt my gun ownership, nor do I leave them laying about. Why do I need a safe?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (5 children)

    You always supposed to have a safe. You're supposed to keep it in a safe, even if you don't think you need to.

    When people talk about irresponsible gun ownership, you're the type of person they're talking about. It's people like you who just don't care. You're not being responsible with your weapon.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    What would a safe change in this specific case?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    No you're supposed to have a safe. It's got nothing to do with this case it's just about gun safety in general.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    explain to me why? my guns are secure. I have no children. I don't have kids in my life what so ever. they aren't laying around on tables or nightstands. explain why.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Why are you arguing with me I don't make up the law.

    You are supposed to have a gun safe, you're supposed to secure your weapons. It's your choice if you don't do it whatever your justification is is irrelevant.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Because it’s a deadly weapon and it’s your responsibility that it is secured (not necessarily a safe). Part of responsible gun ownership.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    (not necessarily a safe).

    Um. wasn't that kinda my question? I didn't say they were not 'secure'.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    My apologies for the confusion then, though my use of the word “safe” was secure. Keeping a gun hidden in a sock drawer != safe, though there are other ways to secure something.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (19 children)

    Why do we need bet our lives on you not lying? Why do we have to tolerate people who leave handguns in cars and secure rifles with threats of domestic violence all so you, a special special snowflake who pinkie promises they're responsible, don't have to buy a safe?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    What would a safe change in this specific case?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (14 children)

    What a plot twist, a pro-gun poster who can't look beyond themselves and what they want and see the wider problems of gun ownership.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Please explain to me how the situation i described would be any different if my guns were in a safe, rather than a locked closet?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (12 children)

    And surprise surprise, he's slow too.

    "I will never drive drunk so what good are DUI laws?"

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    you still haven't answered any questions. just thrown insults.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (10 children)

    "No but you don't understand, I'm not driving drunk so how would DUI laws change anything".

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    you're still throwing out strawman arguments.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Have you tried shooting them with your poorly secured firearms?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    wow. great. much burn. so raw. Still can't answer the question.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Oh honey, it's been repeatedly answered for you, you've just been too slow to pick up on it.

    I hope you're intentionally trying to make me waste my time cause otherwise holy fuck, you sure are unarmed on the internet.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Oh then be a dear and point out EXACTLY where it's been answered. Cause all I see is snark and avoidance.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Nah. It's time for you to learn how to think for yourself rather than having people spoonfeed you information and opinions.

    Besides, having you unable to see things right in front of your face makes gun owners look much worse.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You haven't said a single thing here. you've literally just made fun of me all the while avoiding the question. I don't NEED your "opinion". I know the law and I know where I stand with it. I want you, someone who said I'm wrong, to tell me exactly how I'm wrong, without calling names, or making strawman arguments. You literally have not answered a single question. You're playing everything by the "i know jack shit" playbook. You simply can't tell me the answer to my question. You say I'm wrong but refuse to tell me why. Leads me to believe YOU'RE the one that's been spoon-fed information and you're too dim witted to parse it into something you can put into words yourself.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What would a safe change in this specific case?

    Theft. Any time you aren't home your house turns into an unattended armory for thieves.

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