723
Trump’s alleged ‘sexual proclivities’ graphically detailed in new Epstein documents
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 08 Jan 2024
723 points (96.1% liked)
News
23259 readers
2891 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Remember when Trump raped a 13 year old girl and then settled out of court, then a few years later he said that people who settle out of court are obviously guilty?
Interesting. Is there a site that has all of his convictions and settlements listed? This would be great in reasoning why he shouldn't run for office if you have a link to all that.
This isn't exactly that, but helpful...
He's demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just got more loser-y folks... If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here's a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.
Do you have a list that omits speculation and personal opinion? Got anything with facts and sources listed?
That list feels like a classic Reddit comment, packed with smugness. No one is going to convince their “aunt Karen in Missouri” that Trump is bad using a Facebook-tier list like that.
To answer your question, PoppinKREAM on Reddit often posted detailed comments with sources. Sort by “Top” on his Reddit profile and his fifth comment (as of today) has a much better list.
FTFY
Yeah, I was hoping this place would be a little more accurate in discussion. But it's still the same circlejerk. "Orange man bad" gets all the upvotes, regardless if the comment is true or not.
lemmy.world is a big instance and a lot of the Redditors from the initial migration landed here. But the great thing about Lemmy & the Fediverse is that you don’t have to stick with only one instance. I personally have accounts on lemmy.ml (where I landed after the migration) and beehaw.org (I joined in the early days and fell in love with their community & philosophies). I usually just browse “All” through the Voyager app though, so I can see posts from instances across Lemmy.
Using Lemmy / the Fediverse requires a different mindset than Reddit and other monolith websites: you’re given a lot more power to choose how to engage with the community at large and the Reddit hive mind isn’t nearly as effective. There’s still going to be circlejerks and brigades and all kinds of shenanigans that come with forums, but don’t take the voting system too seriously and you’ll have a much better time.
What specifically is bothering you on the list, friend? Specific points.
There's only 11 Trump associates charged with serious crimes in the last 5 years?
First, I'm not your friend. It would be embarrassing to even be mistakenly associated with you. Second, the things wrong with the list are most of your points are just your opinion or things that have no proof or weight. But it is telling that in order to come up with a sizable list, you eat the need to include superfluous bullshit points. I mean, you really find the number of women he's had kids with troublesome? Or that he has inserts in his shoes. Nevermind the flat out lies in your list. For instance, can you name the multiple officers that were murdered on Jan 6?
It would be good to remove silly things like the lifts in his shoes. Removes credibility from the list for anyone not already against Trump.
With who? The deplorables that live for hate that we'll never persuade? Or us, who have earned a chuckle and his expense?
There is nobody on the fence reading this list. If they are, the jabs aren't going to be the deal breaker.
But this is moot. There are no actual independents. Just self aware ashamed in denial Republicans.
The only work is activating Democrat voters and convincing the left of us that Israel's regime sucks but not having democracy in America doesn't help any situation.
I really hate the "us vs them" bullshit, but it's real. I don't like many of the Democrat policies and am on the progressive side. They suck. But the other side is literal child raping treason Nazis. The fact that I'm saying that with no hyperbole in 2024 is so fucking wild. I wanted the star Trek future with a merit based economy and green alien babes... Not this bullshit.
While there are policies I can get behind, I am in no way considered liberal, progressive or whatever other terms are used. So do you think I am a "literal child raping treasonous Nazi"? If your answer is anything other than no, this is exactly why the country is in the shit and there will never be any actual progress.
If you are a republican, then yes. Because gestures broadly at the Republicans
At least you're honest about completely dismissing those that don't think like you. It's interesting that you demonize a group you don't agree with and then justify it with hyperbole.
Hyperbole? Where've you been, dude?
Remember when republicans keep blocking bans on child marriage?
Or how about when they keep getting caught fucking kids?
Right? I know!
"But whaddabout.... whaddabout.... whaddabout..." When Anthony Weiner got nailed, Dems dropped him faster than Giuliani dropped his pants for an underage reporter. Go ahead ask me - between Gaetz and Wiener, which one is still a congressman? If Trump gets caught up in the Epstein thing, republicans will circle the wagons and deny deny deny. If Bill Clinton gets caught up in it, Dems will demand he goes the fuck to jail. You know... because crime.
Then there's the January 6th thing. That sort of explains itself. Donald Trump and republicans tried to use a violent insurrection and fraudulent electors to overthrow a constitutionally mandated process... so... you know... treason. You're a traitor for supporting it. This one's pretty simple.
Oh right! And the nazi thing. Between the concentration camps, the continued support of white supremacy, the embracing of authoritarian fascism, the overt xenophobia, the book bans (and let's not forget the burnings!) and the continuous use of murderous violence and terroristic death threats... but you know - I'm probably just exaggerating.
Dude - I'm not just riffing. This is objectively true. These are facts. This isn't a just a difference in ideology. If conservatives were actually conservative and not... you know... the rest of that stuff, I'd be down for it. You might not have raped any kids personally, but you sure as shit support people who do. Like... at this point, democrats kinda suck, but repubs are moustache twirling, cartoon evil. It's not even close. The only way that you're still a republican is that you're living under a rock, or you're a child raping traitor nazi. There's no ambiguity anymore.
Child raping traitor nazi is fitting and objectively verifiable. Stop supporting kid fuckers.
No, if something is a little bit shit and some other thing is a lot of shit, that doesn't make the little bit shit any good. It's still shit. If you have ever voted for an incumbent you are responsible for the shit state we're in. Because either they are in on it, or too incompetent to overcome it.
Wait, what? Instead of taking any ownership or introspection of your personal beliefs in the face of OVERWHELMING evidence that you're supporting child raping traitor nazis, your response isn't to reevaluate your support for them, it's to deflect, double down on your support, "nuh uh, no you!", and "both sides are bad"? You called me closed minded? Do you hear yourself?
There are trees out there working real hard to make the oxygen you're wasting. As a great Canadian once said, "yer spare parts, bud"
AND A PARTRIDGE IN A PEARTREEEEEE!
Thought stealer!
And now to the tune of "12 Days of Christmas"
"on the 13th day of Christmas, I'm tired of singing!"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_and_business_legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump
Everything Trump says has a little asterisk above it which is "*except when I do it" - except he probably doesn't know about asterisks. They're pretty complicated.
Sftu loser! He's got great asteriskses, the best in fact! Nobodies got asteriskses like him, in the world!
^(/s, but not really necessary I hope)
One time an asterisk came up to Trump, big asterisk, strong asterisk, tears streaming down its typeface and it said "Mr Trump, no president has ever been treated as poorly as you*".
Every accusation he makes is a confession. Always.
I've never read anything about that. Any links?
Here's the original complaint document, and a bit of googling will find old news articles with more information. This one was linked to Epstein.
Lawsuits were filled against the buffoon and the pedo by the same individual, but ultimately they were dismissed or withdrawn. They were not settled, at least in no way that can be proven.
Now I'm not saying that the accusations were invented to negatively affect the buffoon's election chances, though that is a possibility. I find it unlikely as most sane individuals, especially with what was known at that time, would not risk a crime or being counter sued by filing a false claim. Not to mention licensed lawyers putting their own careers and repairs on the line.
We also know that the buffoon and his enablers and followers are not afraid to break the law or push its limits to make problems go away.
Anyway they're is also this
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-do-papers-allege-trump-epstein-took-part-sexual-assault-1857863
The OP on this thread said he settled out of Court. Is that true? From everything I've read the cases were thrown out?
I have no evidence one way or the other. It looks like the California case was likely dismissed because what was being sued over occurred in New York. And the cases in New York were withdrawn, but why that occurred is unknown. There may have been a settlement out of court, but I can't find anything to prove that.
We have plenty of evidence at this point to speculate on what may have happened. Could there have been a settlement? Yes. Could the complainant have been intimidated into dropping the case? Yes. Could the complainant ultimately decide that her own health, safety, and well-being was more important? Absolutely.
These were all civil fillings seeking damages because the statute for criminal liability has passed. Pursuing a case like this as an individual is going to put her whole life under a microscope, force her to publicly relive the abuse, and open her up to cross examination by the defense. I think it is incredibly likely she walked away.
Trumps links are the best links.