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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (4 children)

So I just saw this comment under a lib Youtube video:

Stalin was in favor of establishing Israel, and this reflected the USSR foreign policy up until exactly the Yon Keppur War, which made Brezhnev add Anti-Zionism (some would say it also contained some degree of antisemitism with its symbols used) to their propaganda apparatus, which was exported to the developing world and left wing organizations during the Cold War, and resulted in the addition of anti-Zionism to their anticolonial vocabulary

Could someone more versed in history tell me how much of this is true and what it means?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's not actually clear that Stalin was the one who pushed to support Israel. He wasn't a dictator, so it's possible that he was outvoted on this or that he was ambivalent and the primary support came from others. All the western evidence that Stalin supports it is literally "he was 1984 big brother so the USSR never could have changed it's policy without him making the decision". https://hexbear.net/comment/4113012

That comment is also completely untrue, the position of the CPSU on Zionism was always negative, until they supported the creation of Israel (possibly for pragmatic reasons - hoping for a socialist state, possibly because they were moved by the Holocaust). It was considered a form of bourgeois nationalism both under Lenin and under Stalin, long before the establishment of Israel. Also, the developing world didn't need to be exposed to the USSR's "exported" "propaganda" to add "anti-Zionism to their anticolonial vocabulary", people in the third world are capable of observation and reasoning to determine that Zionism is colonialism.

Extremely lmayo comment, as expected of YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Stalin initially thought Israel would be a communist/socialist state, which wasn't insane as it sounds considering Labor Zionism was most popular then and David Ben Gurion call himself a socialist. He also just wanted to wreck the British's colonial position in the Middle East. So he supported Israel and quietly authorized weapon deliveries via Czechoslovakia. At this point, Israel didn't have any friends in the west, who still considered the Zionists anti-british terrorist separatists, so these Czech weapons were critical for them in the 1948 war and the USSR recognized Israel immediately after independence was declared.

However relations began to deteriorate almost immediately after that. Stalin had the Jewish anti-fascist committee arrested a year before he died and the Israeli starting attacking all their Arab neighbors too. The USSR didn't want to sacrifice it's relationship with the new socialist aligned Arab states like Nasser's Egypt, so by the time of the Suez Crisis relations with Israel had gone from friendly to neutral to supporting the Arabs. By 1955 the Egyptians were getting their own Czech arms deliveries, and by this point the Soviets probably judged that a warm relationship with the Arab states was more important. The soviets were still trying to play both sides until the 1967 war, but after Israel attacked they severed diplomatic relations with them. (Not yom Kippur like the comment claims)

The Soviets also hated the Aliya, because they had millions of Jews living within the USSR now all trying to emigrate away and causing trouble for the authorities when they were told no. By the time of Brezhnev this was a big problem and yes the Soviets tried to oppose it in ways that were problematic to say the least.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I think a large part of the Soviet opposition to the Aliya was they saw it as an unfriendly country taking millions of educated professionals from the USSR. Many Jewish Soviets never had any intention of going to Israel and diverted to the US at various travel connections. They'd get off the plane from the USSR, throw their ticket to Israel in the trash, and get on a plane for the US. Israel actually changed it's immigration procedures several times to try to filter out people from the USSR who they suspected were using the Aliya as an excuse to defect from the USSR to the west.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

not a history nerd but afaik USSR initially supported Israel because it saw a pro-Soviet Socialist Israel being possible.

they went back on it pretty quick though, it occurred before Brezhnev. Rise of Nasserism and stuff.

The anti-Zionist policy of the USSR did result in some level of antisemitism but it wasn't the state policy at top level. I don't know how much of can really be attributed to the state policy compared to existing sentiment.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"they don't actually believe anything, they're just ~~russian~~ Soviet bots!"