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For those of you who were around for it - this is how it felt to be a leftist or even just a sane person during 9/11, right? Just watching everyone around you and in the media become consumed with psychotic bloodlust?
This is exactly how I've been describing this moment. I haven't been so lost in the world since that time. It feels like you can't even begin to dig through the hate and propaganda. Everyone around you is acting morally superior for wanting blood. People you thought were a little more level headed are just consumed.
It's deeply upsetting to be watching this play out again. It feels like living inside a trainwreck and you don't know how to help anything because it's already happening with so much momentum.
It also leaves you feeling deeply vulnerable. Like any day the world could pick you as a target, and everyone around you would cheer on as the world devoured you.
I've thought so much on post 9/11, especially the run up to the Iraq War. I hoped I'd never feel this way again, but here we are.
Take care of yourselves. Dunno what else to say.
History never ends, eventually I believe and hope that people will look back at us in wonder of our stupidity, and the few of the few of us that get to be remembered in history will be finally recognised as beyond their time, just like we think of the Greek philosophers today.
Take care and keep a glimpse of hope, it's all we've got
I have seen more pro-Palestinian and anti-apartheid stuff than I thought I would. Obviously not from the usual shitheads like at the WSJ or NYT but just in online comments around spaces. Obviously the western news narrative is pro-apartheid so that part is very usual. The side commentary is not.
yeah it's a tossup when it comes to liberals, and young people especially (i go to uni) seem to be mostly leaning pro-palestine. also, my older relatives/friends of relatives were both-sidesing it (seeing a lot of that), but i was actually able to convince them otherwise by explaining the situation more deeply
also i went to the instagrams of a few celebrities that made pro-israel posts and their last non-disabled comment sections were all spammed to the brim with free palestine stuff lmao
It was way worse than this. Like, many times worse. All the bloodlust but also blended with performative patriotism.
Yes BUT the friends I marched with then are now #standingwithisrael
Nah shit was waaaaaaaaaaaay fucking worse with Iraq and Afghanistan openly calling people removed and open islamophobia and racism against arabs was perfectly acceptable, even commonplace in average conversation with basically any american. It was all over tv, it was everywhere. Things are definitely different now... Instead they're controlling people by tapping into performative morality and performative outrage as social signals people adhere to and all dance along like good little puppets.
pretty much
pretty much but at least back then there still seemed to be a thriving leftist anti-imperialist mindset among the people that sadly seems to have been lost since the crushing of the OWS protests.
lol no there was even less of a left then than now lol no contest
post-9/11 america was absolutely worse
how do you figure? it feels like everyone who gave a shit back then are now either chuds, dead, or were spooked
I'm still here babe, just a deeply mentally ill hermit in montana
Imagine now, except the farthest left content on the entire internet is The Young Turks and 93% of everyone around you supports Bush and you don't even have a bunch of online weirdos to commiserate with
There was an online communist left back then but it was comprised entirely of very elderly Trotskyites running newsletters with 2 subscribers or very odd academics who ran IRC chat rooms with struggle sessions lasting for literal years
I remember as a youngster stumbling into one of their forums in like 2003 and getting banned in my first post because I asked if someone could summarize Bordiga
Fair reaction.
Yes, i remember the freedom fries... the yellow ribbons... The Jeep commercial...
....and Im proud to be an American, where at least i know im free! And i wont forget the men who died to give that right to me!...
The top song in the country was about how if you messed with America we'd bomb you so bad you'd think the sky was falling.
And that's not including the line in the same song "well put a boot in your ass it's the american way"
I wonder if the taliban appreciate how fully they did destroy at least the culture and soul of America on 9-11.
Then that dip shit spent the rest of his career trying to posture as a liberal
I mean that was absolutely the liberal foreign policy positions at the time so that makes sense.
Also look up the music video of his dumb ass riding around in a humvee wearing neos glasses from the matrix.
🤢🤮
9/11 had more popular Islamophobic support. It was almost universal and it frightened me to be surrounded by it. I had to keep very quiet because I knew no one that openly opposed the bloodlust, including the desire to invade countries that had nothing to do with it.
9/11 also turned the nascent "New Atheist" movement into just another reactionary front. The so-called "Horsemen" that were leading personalities (with maybe one exception) were all aboard the war train.
Yeah basically. And the most likely outcome IMO is Israel has it's own war on terror jr. and it goes just as well for everyone involved.
Curious to hear others responses as well.
Maybe it's because I was a kid back then but this feels similar only worse
i don't know exactly when it was but i remember reading in probably an AP wire story that "curveball" wasn't reliable and having some understanding that iraq didn't have shit to do with 9/11.
the support for invasion of iraq,the paranoid racism, and the expansion of the police state all seem worse in hindsight because i was largely sheltered from all of it.
Yeah it probably was worse then but this still feels weirder in the sense that back then it was just the normal flag perverts humping the
Now we've got all this flag cuck kink shit where the flag perverts are waving the Israeli and Ukrainian flags and it's kinda scary in a different way
It was overall worse. The fact that you could have pro-Palestinian protests right now without people getting killed means it's already better. If you had an anti-Afghanistan invasion protest right at 2001 when the invasion happened, so literally 22 years ago from this date, your entire group of protestors would've 100% been lynched on the spot by an angry mob.
It was that bad.
Wait, it was that bad? Give me an example of such lynching?
There wasn't any lynchings because they weren't any antiwar protests in 2001-10 period. Anti-war protests only started to happen when the US invaded Iraq. Compared that with right now where you just had pro-Palestinian protests at NYC. The political climate is completely different.
What you said breaks my brain ... can you please correct and elaborate your points again because even if what you said was true, anti-war protests coud've started in the mid 2000s, according to your logic, after the invasion of Iraq, and the explain to me how the political climates before and now is completely different anyhow?
No, I mean October 2001, which was when Afghanistan was invaded. I didn't mean 2001-2010. There weren't antiwar protests in October 2001. Antiwar protests only started becoming a thing after the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. So, it took around a year and a half after 9/11 before you were allowed to have antiwar protests.
Oh, sorry for confusing myself... the only closest feel to that which I feel of Afghanistan and later Iraq, is what I feel now with Russo-Ukrainian War and the revival of Palestine's struggle
Yes this is the most bloodthirsty I've seen liberals for killing innocent Muslims since 9-11.