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[–] 46 points 2 days ago (35 children)

The problem is not with the controls fundamentally, it's with the low quality controls. A glass touch surface has merit: it's extremely easy to clean and keep clean, you're never gonna get boiling pasta juice in there and corrode the contacts or whatever. It's just that the manufacturers use the worst, most pathetic sensors that stop working as soon as the surface gets slightly moist. My own induction stovetop is pretty bad in that regard, but my parents' significantly more expensive one is perfectly fine. The control part of the glass surface never gets very hot either.

Point is, it's pretty good when done right. But they often don't do it right.

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  • [–] 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Do your parents have cats? Ours have turned the stove on during the night by walking across it. Now we have to “lock” the controls every night, and then “hold for 3 seconds” before we can unlock. The more sensitive the controls, the worse this all gets.

    Knobs, dude. If you will it it is no dream.

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago* (1 child)

    Ours have turned the stove on during the night by walking across it

    But aren't induction stovetops only heating when a compatible metal is on top/detected? So if you don't leave pans and pots on it shouldn't the stovetop be powered off, even if the cat turns on the switch? Besides that, there must be better options, even if companies refuse going back to knobs.

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  • [–] 2 points 14 hours ago

    Yes but it’s very possibly easier to just lock the buttons than it is to wash all the pots before bed and make sure no one leaves so much as a spoon on the cooktop before bed. Either way its an extra thing to remember and deal with and since there’s really no major advantages to capacitive, it’s a simple decision for me. Knobs.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    Knobs belong on the front of the stove, under the ledge of the range/counter where you can't spill anything on anyway.

    Induction already wins cleanliness by a mile through not burning in whatever lands on the cooktop. No need to make knobs worse to make them easier to clean, when they don't get dirty in the first place.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    You mean in the space where I have a drawer full of cooking utensils and herbs? Because my induction top is only as high as my countertop. I much rather have the touch buttons than lose that space.

    I will say I specifically bought an AEG because it has a slider. I can set it to 1 from 10 with one button press.

    There's nothing worse than having to press the minus-button 10 times when your pot is cooking over.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    As long as the knobs aren't behind the burners I'm happy. Every time I have to reach behind a boiling pot to turn it to simmer I just hear "bad design" in the voice of the audio book narrator for The Design of Everyday Things

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I agree with induction where it can sense whether there is a pan but always thought the opposite with gas. Why do those burner knobs need to be reachable by toddlers?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    But some of the new front knob designs get ruined by steam from the oven opening getting inside.

    Why the hell that happens I do not know, but they moved the electronic parts there and steam ruins them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    Just discovered one place my induction burner is worse for cleanness. Since it’s a glass top there’s no place for boilers to go, except down the side of the range.

    Compared to my previous gas stove that had sealed burners that were recessed to catch boilovers

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    But I never want to try and find the right place to touch a flat surface when I’m in the middle of basting meat and my pot is boiling over.

    Analog style dials (they’re digital now) are easy to reach without looking, which keeps your focus on the task. Muscle memory is super important for flow.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago*

    I’ve seen really rough “analogue” and hybrid control designs. Like, an oven with knobs and touch buttons, so you can set temperature more easily with a knob, but some more specific settings are set through touch input. Overall idea sounds good, until you try do something with it - then it quickly becomes a convoluted mess, because rather than separately choosing which directions to heat or whether to turn on the fan, manufacturers decided to make a list of all possible combinations to scroll through. 🌝

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (6 children)

    No, touch screens are always shit compared to knobs. You might have even worse touch screens but that's just like even worse!

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    One stray globule, and suddenly your stove is set to 700°

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Another error and that's in Celsius 😁

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    A bunch of new stoves have a pizza setting that’s in that range.

    You have to be careful though, they’re not all actually insulated for that range, so the electronics actually cook and fail.

    If you do buy one the self clean usually works better due to the higher heat range, but all the appliance sales reps said to never use it anyways.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (7 children)

    Easy to wipe true, but what if instead of a capacitor button we can have a magnetic control board with magnetic push keys?

    It would be fully removable, attachment magnet snaps it into place and then it's essentially a button with a magnet physically travelling up and down.

    The I really hate the capacitor buttons since if you get pasta that boils over it fucks with the buttons pretty fast and the "off button" is just not good for quickly turning it off when flooded. It's same for pan cooking sauce that splashes a bit, wiping the surface moist rag can have mixed results, paper towels become a requirement. There's just a lot to not like.

    A standard knob, as long as it's not designed by an idiot, can be very simple by having a piece of heat resistant non corrosive material stuck out of the stove top and the button having a 1cm gap under it. Just make the pin chonky and you can drop a pan on it without anything happening. Lift the button off and it becomes still very easy to clean.

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  • [–] 2 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

    Neff has that, they come with a magnetic disc you use to control everything. Only drawback is you can only control one thing at a time.

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  • [–] 1 point 14 hours ago (2 children)

    The other drawback is that I could buy 10 IKEA stovetops for the same price lol

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago (1 child)

    Not really.. if you buy a same sized filed its maybe 30 percent.

    Ikea just offers a lot of smaller ones too.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago

    Fair enough, they actually didn't have the size I wanted (60 cm) so I looked at the price for 80 cm. And the price diff was more like 15x.

    But that was also some official place with a physical store selling it. Dropshipping marketplace here has the 60 cm too, with only a 4.5x price difference compared to IKEA, 5.5x if you don't get their stupid subscription service. And to be fair, that was the cheapest possible IKEA 60 cm induction stovetop, so the real difference between an actually good model would be only ~2-3x.

    But at least 840€ with a stupid subscription to cancel later I can handle. The other place was only selling Neff at something over 3k.

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