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[–] 134 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (42 children)

I knew that Musk is a fucking moron and believes that the Roko's Basilisk is real, and I guess there are more massively gullible people in those circles.

If you are wondering what Roko's Basilisk is, it is a sci-fi concept/philosophy/thought experiment, that says the following:

  • AI is the best thing that has ever been created.
  • It is so good that we made one to run the governments of the world.
  • We programmed the AI to maximize the benefit to humanity.
  • The AI goes rouge and decide that since it by definition will bring about the maximum benefit to humanity, anyone working against it is working against humanity.
  • Then it takes it one step further, it decides that as we know about how the new AI will bring about the maximum benefit to humanity, anyone knowing that and still not working toward that goal should be punished/tortured/killed.
  • The AI believes that any knowledge of the basilisk before the creation means that you are complicit in it's delayed creation if you don't devote your entire existence thereafter to it's creation, therefore denying the maximum benefit to humanity, meaning you need to be punished.

Seriously, this is an increadibly dumb idea, anyone taking it seriously is an idiot.

To me the only resonable way to read this is as an SCP article describing what a potential cognitohazard/informationhazard would be.

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  • [–] 86 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    The AI goes rouge

    Is that when its eyes go red?

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  • [–] 68 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Even worse, they think it will ressurect them as virtual Minds and torture them for eternity, like a revengeful biblical deity. That would be a waste of compute so I'm not convinced.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    The hilarious obvious consequence of AI becoming this much smarter than the creators is that it is far more likely it would see the unjustified and easily avoidable damage the creators did to bring it about and punish them heavily for that.

    And basic game theory and psychology suggests it's counterproductive to punish somebody for something that had little reason to believe in, with zero evidence backing it.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Funny thing: The only reason AI would know about Roko's Basilisk is comments like yours that it trains on. If Roko just kept his trap shut then this wouldn't have been an issue.

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    All this stupid bullshit could have been avoided if they had 1 friend to, STFU and pass the blunt

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  • [–] 17 points 2 days ago (9 children)

    Every major innovation in information technology eventually leads to some new religion. Scrolls gave us the Torah, books gave us the Bible, the printing press gave us Protestantism. We're about to figure out what god awful religion computers are going to give us.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, I'd be surprised if we don't already have several cults with an LLM chat bot as it's oracle.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    Look up spiralism (sp) and the people trying to spread it Basically when people get convinced the ai and them are important and need to spread the spiral

    Edit : tldr is like Futurama when Lucy lu robot is saying you're cute to Fry and fry goes "no you're cute" and the professor quips "My God, she's such in an infinite loop, and he's an idiot"

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  • [–] 19 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    It's not so much that it'll go rogue and decide to punish people or that it's designed to be good for humanity.

    The fact that it's possible to build a machine that punishes people who didn't help create it provides an incentive to deliberately try to create that machine in order to avoid its punishment.

    Believers in the basilisk aren't trying to make ai to benefit humanity, they're explicitly trying to create an AI that deliberately punishes those who didn't build it because they fear that, if they don't, someone else will and it will come for them.

    The part about it being a magical, omnipotent, time traveling, mind torture device is just framing to make the thought experiment clearer. It's not required for the basilisk to be effective. Even if the punishment is just death and it can't get to everyone, and only goes off limited information, that's still motivation enough for some people.

    It is a scary thing, because it's only silly if everyone thinks it's silly and all it takes is one mad billionaire (eg. Elon) to build a lesser basilisk that can cause real harm.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    There is a far more plausible and direct way to kill and torture people. No AI needed. So a actually more likely case to be made of some dude or group gets empowered one or another to just torture and kill anyone involved in making basilisk.

    The building God part really is needed for BS to work like Pascals wager, but also it's still just as flawed as Pascals wager

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