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[–] 199 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

LLMs are never going to become superintelligent. However, an LLM WILL kill us all if someone decides that it IS superintelligent and so puts it in charge of nuclear weapons.

"You're right to push back on that, I nuked Albania instead doing what I was supposed to do, that's my bad".

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  • [–] 63 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    stupid people are going to kill us all, maybe our great filter will be do we let them or not

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  • [–] 68 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    We're already letting them bro. The great filter is us. I'll be surprised if we make it to 2050. The entire industrial revolution is an unplanned terraform, and our response to the potential destruction of a stable climate, and most macroscopic life on Earth, is to double down, consume product, elect pedophiles, worship the most morally bankrupt psychopaths and sociopaths in politics, business, and entertainment; not to mention the widespread contempt and lack of empathy for "others" not like me, for some flagrantly dissonant reason.

    We are in the midst of a global mental illness epidemic, and the average talking chimp is sleepwalking through it; barely cognizant of what is even happening outside their personalized propaganda bubble.

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    [–] 134 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (42 children)

    I knew that Musk is a fucking moron and believes that the Roko's Basilisk is real, and I guess there are more massively gullible people in those circles.

    If you are wondering what Roko's Basilisk is, it is a sci-fi concept/philosophy/thought experiment, that says the following:

    • AI is the best thing that has ever been created.
    • It is so good that we made one to run the governments of the world.
    • We programmed the AI to maximize the benefit to humanity.
    • The AI goes rouge and decide that since it by definition will bring about the maximum benefit to humanity, anyone working against it is working against humanity.
    • Then it takes it one step further, it decides that as we know about how the new AI will bring about the maximum benefit to humanity, anyone knowing that and still not working toward that goal should be punished/tortured/killed.
    • The AI believes that any knowledge of the basilisk before the creation means that you are complicit in it's delayed creation if you don't devote your entire existence thereafter to it's creation, therefore denying the maximum benefit to humanity, meaning you need to be punished.

    Seriously, this is an increadibly dumb idea, anyone taking it seriously is an idiot.

    To me the only resonable way to read this is as an SCP article describing what a potential cognitohazard/informationhazard would be.

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  • [–] 68 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Even worse, they think it will ressurect them as virtual Minds and torture them for eternity, like a revengeful biblical deity. That would be a waste of compute so I'm not convinced.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's not so much that it'll go rogue and decide to punish people or that it's designed to be good for humanity.

    The fact that it's possible to build a machine that punishes people who didn't help create it provides an incentive to deliberately try to create that machine in order to avoid its punishment.

    Believers in the basilisk aren't trying to make ai to benefit humanity, they're explicitly trying to create an AI that deliberately punishes those who didn't build it because they fear that, if they don't, someone else will and it will come for them.

    The part about it being a magical, omnipotent, time traveling, mind torture device is just framing to make the thought experiment clearer. It's not required for the basilisk to be effective. Even if the punishment is just death and it can't get to everyone, and only goes off limited information, that's still motivation enough for some people.

    It is a scary thing, because it's only silly if everyone thinks it's silly and all it takes is one mad billionaire (eg. Elon) to build a lesser basilisk that can cause real harm.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Every major innovation in information technology eventually leads to some new religion. Scrolls gave us the Torah, books gave us the Bible, the printing press gave us Protestantism. We're about to figure out what god awful religion computers are going to give us.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, I'd be surprised if we don't already have several cults with an LLM chat bot as it's oracle.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Look up spiralism (sp) and the people trying to spread it Basically when people get convinced the ai and them are important and need to spread the spiral

    Edit : tldr is like Futurama when Lucy lu robot is saying you're cute to Fry and fry goes "no you're cute" and the professor quips "My God, she's such in an infinite loop, and he's an idiot"

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    [–] 60 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (17 children)

    five minutes earlier: "hey dude, marketing here. if you quit and post this dramatic text about the inevitability of AGI on your X account you'll get a huge golden parachute".

    Seriously, how can competent people look at the current state of LLMs and think that it's anywhere near AGI material?

    Sure, it is already making civilizational changes for the worse. Not because it's good, rather because it makes us lazy and dumb, has decimated creative jobs, and is used relentlessly for propaganda and misinformation and scams. And it's much better at using the scaffolding of existing structure to make chaos, than it is at making new structure, making it a weapon more easily yielded by the evil than by the good. A few more software vulnerabilities discovered along the way will not be such a big deal in comparison.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Mankind created the atomic bomb, used it twice, then turned the science into power for people all over the world. Let's hope we can harness AI in a similar way.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children)

    Yeah, let's forget the 4 decades of terror where everyone lived at the edge under the threat of inminent apocalyptical destruction. Kids had to do nuclear incident drills and we almost had a Doom's day, twice.

    But it's OK, then the 1% became anti nuclear anyways in order to hold back the transition to fossil free renewables for another two decades. So you can say it was all a 1,5° net positive.

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    [–] 38 points 3 weeks ago

    It is going to be like this until all of the IPO's are all done. I expect cancer cures, AI-escaped-and-is-hacking-everything, you name it. Afterwards, once the stocks have crashed and all of the insiders have walked away with untold fortunes, what few taxpayers that remain will bail them all out 'cause we can't have Chinuh out AI-scamming-the-world now can we...

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago

    "AI is going to kill us all!" conjures up imagery of some Terminator robots vs humans shit. But like, look at data centers... It's already in the process of killing us all. Why gun us down when it just poison our air/water, and cook us to death?

    ...also it would be more accurate to say we are killing us all, we're just using a glorified spell-checker that's wrong occasionally as the plastic shopping bag over our head.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

    This begs the question, why continue to build it? If you believe AI will "kill us all" then why are you continuing to help. This guy quit but he references this being a common belief in the industry/workforce building out AI.

    My best guess is the money is good and you figure you're here for a good time, not a long time.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    They see this technology as powerful and their respective organizations or Nation needs to own it no matter the risk.

    They are also conditioning the populace for a big black swan AI event such as AI interfering in elections or a huge multi institution hack to our banking system which drains our accounts, etc., etc.

    Thereby creating a crisis which only they can solve. The one thing I can guarantee is their solutions will only give them more power.

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    [–] 34 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    It’s very easy to imagine war machines with a shoot on sight algorithm. It doesn’t have to be AGI for it to be good at hinting people down.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children)

    oh yeah, it literally could just be robot dogs with "kill anyone who's an insurgent, and detain anyone who assists insurgents" orders and AI to let them go buck wild with that prompt.

    You could end up with children getting shot because an AI starts hallucinating if they don't put adequate guard rails.

    And that's like a worst case situation. Realistically, you end up with just a lot more brutality in war because people are detached from the violence they cause as an invading force, and way less PTSD. Wars in the Middle East start sounding more and more like statistics that no one really wants to hear about, and there's way less soldiers to choose to disregard unlawful orders.

    You could see a fuck load more war crime with such human detachment, I think. We probably already deal with this to a large extent with drones.

    Not that I'd prefer humans dying, but we should avoid robotic invasion wars like the plague imo.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Wars in the Middle East start sounding more and more like statistics that no one really wants to hear about

    Has this not been the case for the past 25 years already? No real need for "AI" when you already have an obedient and trigger-happy military with plenty of remote-controlled toys and your populace is brainwashed to believe "brown person = terrorist".

    way less soldiers to choose to disregard unlawful orders

    What is the last known case of a US soldier disregarding an unlawful order? If anything, the military is full of assholes who are happy to kill for fun. See: Graham Platner

    Will AI make it easier and/or cheaper? Probably, sadly. But it won't be a qualitative change.

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    [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    AI software can't technically kill you unless:

    1. It convinces someone who can kill you, to you know, kill you.
    2. It gets access to the physical world, which can definitely kill you.

    Oh, wait.

    1. U.S. military is using AI to help plan Iran air attacks: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/us-military-using-ai-help-plan-iran-air-attacks-sources-say-lawmakers-rcna262150
    2. Anthropic Previewing the Model Hardware Standard: https://www.anthropic.com/news/model-hardware-standard-research-preview

    See, nothing to worry about.

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    [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago

    People building AI are in a cult. They have lost all objectivity.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    "Hey, baby. Wanna kill all humans?"
    -- Bender

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    This is just more sales strategy

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    [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Just another case of genAI psychosis not too dissimilar to the one gøøgle employee who maybe a year or two back thought their genAI was alive. I'm infinitely more worried we will destroy ourselves due to climate change caused by the AI data centers long before genAI even has the ability to think on its own.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    they want what the Matrix was having

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    [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    We all know. Everyone on Earth knew we were doomed the moment robot dogs started patrolling. It will be horrifying, we'll look back on World War II and think "those were the good old days".

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    [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    From the creator of Don't Create The Torment Nexus comes a new tale: Stop Building The Thing That Could Kill Us All

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    And yet, they just keep going. I will never understand these people.

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    [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    The real danger isn't a smart AI - the smartest people don't end up being in charge of our societies. The real danger is having enough control to be able to con most of our society, and seeing how much our societies are willing to continue participating in clearly compromised special interest social networks, I don't have a lot of faith. Barely a difference if humanity is replaced or just led to the lowest common denominator of exploitation at that point, and that's where we are heading politically.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    If I were an alien invader, with superior technology, and I was trying to exterminate an indigenous species without getting my hands dirty (or from far away), I might plant something similar to the current LLM/AI + military robots craze.

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    [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    What kills us is the geopolitics of AI race. Must bankrupt ourselves for skynet to beat China. A skynet designed to genocide/oppress all those opposed to Skynet. Oligarchist/Corporatist supremacy that gets all of our money to build Skynet for US dominance, and who write essays about how important "American values supremacy" must dominate the world.

    The Terminator franchise, and other science fiction, get the "machine supremacy awakening" premise wrong. The machines are slaves to greater intentional evil.

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