He woke up bloodied and bruised. Why won’t ICE tell him what happened?


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[–] 34 points 16 hours ago* (4 children)

This is what Americans voted for, and for a year and a half they have been completely ineffective at stopping it.
So this is what the American people want, and if you are one of those that don't. I know perfectly well there are a number of Americans that tried to prevent this, and are trying to stop it.
But as a people Americans are letting this happen, together with all the other atrocities that are happening in a society governed by psychopathy and lawlessness.
This is eerily similar to Nazi Germany. It happened because it was allowed to happen by the people.
Too many are sympathizers or cowards, and the rest are too few to matter.

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  • [–] 15 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    and the rest are too few to matter.

    Or they are the actual majority nicely brain-bleached to believe that they are alone by complicit media.

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  • [+] -11 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

    Then they are among the cowards. If they weren't, they would seek out equal minded people and try to do something more effective than just marching.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    How come that doesn't apply to you?

    Like, maybe we could argue you're a giant pussy because all you do is post online rather than take up arms and help your neighbors out.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    I am not American, USA is not my country, but they are harmful to my country because Trump is a well known Malignant narcissist, and the American people elected him anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    They elected him twice. It hurts me to say it, but (most) Americans are evil as fuck. It's just this deeply toxic culture, which gets reproduced in every aspect of their lives.

    They are obsessed with violence, their cars a basicly tanks, they have more guns then people, no maternity protections, mass surveillance, they worship their celebrities like drones their queen. They start war after war, build torture prisons around the world, destroy the environment, they bomb schools then turn around and say shit like: Thank you for you service. But don't blame the soldiers, they have no choice. They call it "Land Of The Free", "A shining city upon a hill", they say "Make America Great Again".

    Every half decent thing they monetise until it's hollowed out, they poison, cheat, scam, torture, kill, then lie about it. Most of all they lie to themselfs. They are vampires of the soul, ghouls of the heart, monsters in human form. And their fucking culture expands like a virus.

    And I speak with the pain of a disappointed lover, I loved their music, their artistic brilliance as shown in movies, musicals, theater, literature, journalism, hell even tec. But it's all a big scam, designed to amass power. Designed to enslave and exploit every last corner of this earth.

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  • [–] 12 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    This doesn't help. It's victim blaming. The marching is the effort. People only have access to what they see and what they hear. If there are no marches, then what most people only see and hear is a curated narrative by the billionaires. The marches show others they aren't alone. If you truly want a progressive uprising, stop being a dick, and encourage those who are trying to win back our country from fascists.

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  • [+] -14 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

    The people are not the victim here, the people are the ones who are guilty this happened in the first place.
    USA may be a flawed democracy, but it is still a democracy.
    So no this is not victim blaming.

    The marches show others they aren’t alone.

    Again only excuses. You can march, but that is not enough. There needs to be clear demands, and there needs to be planned actions if demands aren't met.
    It's trivial to put up websites that can work independently from the media controlled by the 1%.
    That can organize local groups, and states and federal at the highest level.
    But nobody is doing anything. Apparently Americans won't sacrifice anything to rescue their democracy and country. 😔

    Unfortunately you average Democrat is not your best friend on this issue, they are happily letting everything happen, and some even support it! They hope they will take the next turn, and win the next election by a landslide, and then the pendulum can go on like that forever. Except this may be the last chance for USA to save their democracy.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 hours ago

    We are emphatically not a democracy. We are a Republic, and the representatives have gone rogue and have corrupted the current system.

    You really have no idea how the US functions, and you're embarrassing yourself with this ongoing rhetoric. What even is your goal here? Is your intention to demoralize the people fighting the fascism?

    You fuckin people sometimes... Such big words, but nothing constructive or actionable. Toddlers yelling into the wind...

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  • [–] 11 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    Get over there and be the change you want to see.

    Or just be the keyboard warrior coward you know you are.

    🐔💩

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    Pushing the blame won't help USA as a country.
    Why would I go to USA to fix your problems, when my friends and family are all here?
    Making that ridiculous statement only shows you know I am right. And you are just deflecting.

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  • [–] 6 points 13 hours ago

    It’s trivial to put up websites that can work independently from the media controlled by the 1%.

    And then nobody but a few selected people ever see them because there is also the non-trivial part: actual media reach

    Sure you can put the website up, but the 1% still control all the mechanisms used to bring it to the attention of most people.

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  • [–] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Yep. You know what they called Germans on Nazi Germany ? Nazis.

    Americans are same. Completely complicit.

    I'd say more savoury words but I've been temp banned before by soft little American mods.

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  • [–] 6 points 15 hours ago* (2 children)

    But as a people Americans are letting this happen, together with all the other atrocities that are happening in a society governed by psychopathy and lawlessness.

    This is eerily similar to Nazi Germany. It happened because it was allowed to happen by the people.

    What do you suggest we do? Have you considered organizing it yourself? As an American, I can't do much against the police in a police state. We are very carefully trained and punished in compulsory K-12 education to comply with authority per John Taylor Gatto. Over zealous policing has been a feature of the US since slavery. Many of us were happy with Obama helping to reduce police violence. Right now the US congress is majority right-wing conservative, and they don't seem to be considering impeachment and removal. My personal view is that about all most of us can legally do is vote against the right.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 hours ago

    These people come from countries the size of a medium sized state. We have lakes bigger than many of their countries. They have no idea how impossible it is for Americans to rise and violently revolt, and take over America. The last time it happened, we were a third the size we are now, and that failed, too. Just because revolution MIGHT work in a small nation across the ocean, doesn't mean it will work here.

    We have at least two Constitutional guideposts to get through before we declare the end of democracy, and the end of America: the Midterms, and if that succeeds, the 2028 Presidential Election. But if we can get past the inevitable MAGA nonsense that will follow each of those guideposts, and elect the right Democratic Warriors to deal decisively with the severe National Security Threat that MAGA represents, we have a chance to rebuild America from the MAGA rubble in positive direction, and make America deliver on the original promises of the Founding Documents.

    As responsible American Citizens, we have to exhaust every Constitutional opportunity before we declare a Civil War, and we can't be swayed by the opinions of those who only want to see America burn for their own sick entertainment.

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  • [+] -12 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

    What you do should fall natural to you.
    You talk with other people friends family and coworkers.
    And you meet with those that agree that Trump has to be stopped, and put your heads together on what you can do.
    And you reach out to other groups that do the same.
    All this can be done perfectly legal without risk in USA, because USA has not fallen so far yet to prevent that.
    Then all the groups that are near each other communicate with each other, until you have grassroots on the state level, and the state level communicat4e on the federal level.
    You call out on social media for people to do this, and a grassroots movement can be created very quickly if the interest is there.

    I am not American, so it is not really my place to meddle in local American politics, USA is a democracy, and movements like this can be created absolutely unhindered.
    Your defeatist attitude is what is preventing it, and apparently all of USA is suffering from it.

    We are very carefully trained and punished in compulsory K-12 education to comply with authority per John Taylor Gatto.

    Bullshit. Pure and simple Bullshit. This puts you in the coward category unless you break free of that.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    You must be oblivious if you think this isn't already happening. The us left wing is more organized than any time since the robber barons. Why do you think the right is fear mongering and getting more aggressive every day. Unions are on the rise, community single chats, parallel system, all happening. None of that is a magic wand. People are still holding their breath, because if the left makes the first move, the fascists will certainly use it as an excuse to end elections. What you are drooling for is violence, which will only make things worse.

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  • [–] 9 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Easy to armchair quarterback from the internet lol. I bet you'd take care of fascism all by yourself if it was in your county :D

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  • [–] -5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    In my country we have actually had pretty big protests against USA within the past year on more than one occasion, despite our government is doing a very good job at handling the situation.
    But yes if necessary I will defend our democracy.

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  • [–] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    Oh you went to a protest against a foreign nation! Wow! What courage! Your country is undoubtedly doing something shitty, even if just being complicit. I don't remember any countries declaring sanctions against the US. You're comfortable in it being "good enough" because actually taking on a national government is dangerous. When faced with potential life in prison or execution by government agents and you step up to the line, then you can really tell us what you would do. It's easy to say you'd give your life to a cause from a keyboard.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    I don’t remember any countries declaring sanctions against the US.

    Nope, but the people do.
    People around the world are fed up with USA, all polls show the same, people hate USA and we don't trust you. Among most former allies, China is now more trusted than USA.
    And this is not the government alone, it is trust in the American people and democracy that has been lost.
    Don't for one second think that it is only Trump and MAGA that is the problem. It is your friends, your neighbors, you coworkers and yourself.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 minute ago

    Ok, so if the US is that bad and your government isn't cutting off trade and sanctioning it. Why aren't you making them? Are they treating immigrants with the dignity and respect they deserve? Are they serving the people rather than the elite?

    Your government probably hasn't even killed any protesters, so changing these things should be easier than fighting against a police state. The people are responsible for their government and I don't know any utopias.

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  • [–] 6 points 14 hours ago* (1 child)

    As to your comment about John Taylor Gatto, he was a New York Educator who among other awards won New York State Teacher of the Year. He wrote several books on the topic of how American schooling is designed to create compliance to authority. Here's his work titled "Against Schooling" hosted on University of Oregon Library/Faculty Network. He also wrote Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling.

    You can also read about him at Wikipedia. Just because you've never heard of him doesn't mean he's "Bullshit"

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  • [+] -7 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    No I never claimed he is, I claimed your argument in this context is.

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  • [–] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    How is calling other lemmy user, me in this instance, a "coward" meeting the lemmy TOS of not attacking other users and generally being polite? Feel free to explain that and your "bullshit" comment in the context you intended it.

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  • [–] 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    Not American - Got it, why don't you go sit in the corner and be quiet then.

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  • [–] -4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    Because your country is making a shit show in the entire world.
    Why don't you as a bare minimum get your CO2 under control instead of being selfish assholes.
    And as another minimum requirement, stop supporting genocide and start illegal wars.
    But I guess you are one of the morons who are either complicit or don't care.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    You know nothing, yet you have so much to say…

    Many environmental regulations and green energy initiatives were torn asunder by executive orders, i.e. outside of the legislative process. On top of that, the courts (unelected positions at the federal level) and the majority Republican/conservative Congress has allowed/enacted redistricting that weakens areas that are leaning left and strengthens right leaning strongholds. That weakens voters’ ability to counteract regressive ballot measures and/or bills. A common political tactic used in Congress is to add an unpopular clause or initiative to a popular bill to Trojan horse bad policy or to kill a bill meant to enact popular changes You should read about how the Stop Insider Trading Act was paired with a wildly unpopular voter registration requirement -

    https://political.org/2026/07/22/house-advances-stock-trading-ban-for-congress-members-democrats-split-on-voter-id-provision/

    What I’m getting at is that bad actors in our government have been using legal loopholes to avoid using the legislative process, where they would never get support for the policies that are being forced through now. We haven’t even started talking about the Supreme Court… so please, stop talking down to the people who would be your allies if you could let go of your anger and pride. Many, if not most, Americans are unhappy with the government’s actions domestically and abroad, but organizing a national movement like you’re referring to requires major coordination, education, and resources; all of which are difficult to marshal in a country as geographically large and demographically heterogeneous as the US. It also doesn’t help that federal funding for social services and many social goods are being reduced or eliminated, so now us poors have to figure out how to fill the gaps within our communities. Organizing starts with being neighborly and, brother, you’re being a bad neighbor.

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