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It's not enough that the imperial superprofits will never result in a peace dividend, you can't even buy guns right.

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[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago

History has proven over and over again that those who romanticize war fucking suck at war.

[-] NinaPasadena@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago

Almost always the best at war are those who will try not to fight it

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Is that a quote? I know ive read something almost exactly the same by someone before. Probably just cause im far from the first person to notice this. Telling your populace they have an enemy that is weak snd strong at the ssme time can work until they meet the enemy, who time and time again turns out to know what the fuck theyre doing in their own land and csn defend it quite well or at least make every victory as empty and strategically meaningless as possible. And much like their prison system, the people they unfairly expose to war end out getting better at it.

Its a piss poor doctrine cause that's what gets the doctrine guys paid the most for the longest time. Those who profit from war usually also suck at conducting it. A big major trick to beong good at war id having a fucking goal.

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

I mean, sounds kinda like Sun Tzu's whole "win without fighting".

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

All the people they lost against still suffered devastatingly while the American citizen was just fine and dandy. They fought a lot and materially and human cost wise lost quite a bit more in comparison. America hust didnt get what it wanted after killing all those people. They can force a vert pyrric victory

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

I meant that's what the quote sounds like.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sun Tzu's whole thing for that is basically, before you decide to go to war, make sure you understand exactly what you are trying to achieve first. Which is literally basic effective project management tactics in a nutshell.

If you can achieve that objective without ever having to field soldiers, then you should always achieve it without fielding soldiers. As well, fighting simply to fight is not a good enough reason, as you will usually lose to the defender's advantage, even if you have vastly superior numbers and technology. It is better to use the threat of overwhelming force to force your opposition to do something than actually test it, as warfare can be extremely unpredictable, like casting dice on a craps table. Moreover, any amount of damage you sustain, even if you are victorious, leaves you vulnerable to a third party who did not participate in the conflict.

The annals of history are littered with the corpses of empires who defeated their primary political opposition in war, only to lose to a player that wasn't even considering playing the board until the other two players had weakened themselves.

[-] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

an enemy that is weak and strong at the same time

Makes the whole "know your enemy" thing a lot more difficult

[-] NinaPasadena@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Not quoting anyone directly tho like you I'm sure I'm not the first to say this or express this sentiment

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Something about it is dettimg off my 'ive resd this somewhere else' brain. It felt like a wuote by someone who i probably should remember. Most likely a coincidence but now I wanna know who it reminded me of, cause its someone

[-] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's almost certainly some paraphrasing of Sun Tzu.

Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.

For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.

Copying Sun Tzu's homework is a pretty common way to write wise leader characters. You've probably seen a dozen variations on this.

[-] NinaPasadena@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Well definitely let me know if you find out... Curious who I am channeling...

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

The closest person I can think of who's an exception is Napoleon Bonaparte, and even then, there's still more to it than that.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago

Except Napoleon didn't romanticize war before he fought in it. Big difference.

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