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Dana Bash on CNN calling the BS out

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[–] 24 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

When you actually look in to the details of papers on this topic you'll find that it's actually not defined consistently across the literature.

Ultra processed foods are foods made with industrial chemical ingredients either extracted from food or synthesized.

What are industrial chemical ingredients? For example, is sodium hydrogen carbonate one? It's a chemical, produced industrially. Is food made with it in a shop different to food made with baking soda at home? Why?

When you dig into the reason why any specific "ultra processed" food is bad it boils down to:

  • not enough fiber
  • not enough vitamins and minerals
  • too much salt
  • too much sugar
  • too much animal fat

And if you control for those things (which we have known for a long time and are standard nutritional guidelines) then the effects of food processing on health outcomes basically disappear.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    When you actually look in to the details of papers on this topic you’ll find that it’s actually not defined consistently across the literature.

    This is such anti-science crap, and it's exactly what various industries said all along about climate change and lung cancer studies.

    When you dig into the reason why any specific “ultra processed” food is bad it boils down to:

    No, no when you dig into the reason why ultra processed food is bad, it boils down to all-cause mortality. As in earlier death and shorter healthy lifespan.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Here is a good, scientifically informed overview of one popular ultra processed food categorization system and why it excludes good foods and includes poor ones: https://www.eatrightpro.org/news-center/practice-trends/examining-the-nova-food-classification-system-and-healthfulness-of-ultra-processed-foods

    The same kind of thing applies to the other popular systems for defining it. It's just not a good scientific category, we already know about all the components it's a mediocre shorthand for.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 weeks ago*

    They concede that the actual scientists found that

    ultra-processed foods are associated with increased incidences of chronic diseases such as obesity, heart disease and Type 2 diabetes

    And dismissed it all because there's not a randomised controlled trail for ultra processed vs home cooked from ingredients foods, but their counterpoint to that, their main gotcha from that article, is it a randomised controlled trial? Does it measure obesity, heart disease and type 2 diabetes? No! Let's see what it tests:

    To answer this question, researchers in an USDA-funded study published in The Journal of Nutrition planned a seven-day, 2,000-calorie daily diet that was based on the recommendations in the Dietary Guidelines but with more than 80% of the foods coming from Nova’s ultra-processed food category. The results showed that this planned diet achieved a Healthy Eating Index (HEI) score of 86 out of 100 points. The HEI measures the diet quality and evaluates to what extent Americans are following the Dietary Guidelines. For reference, the current HEI for Americans is 59 on average, meaning many Americans are consuming a diet below what is considered desirable.

    So if you use one set of guidelines to make a diet plan (no one actually eats it) and you deliberately pick foods that are processed but reasonably healthy according to those very same guidelines, you achieve a great score on what basis? Long term health outcomes? No. Short term health outcomes? No. What basis? Oh, the very same guidelines you used to cherry pick the foods? Why isn't it 100%?! What an absurdly vacuous claim.

    In their enlightenment and dismissing all the science, they've replaced it by calculating some points of disagreement with some older healthy eating advice? That's IT!?!

    You have swallowed a bunch of pseudoscience. You're as bad as RFK.

    It's a fucking industry funded pseudoscience pseudoprogessional pseudoeducation body. Did you even think about where they're coming from?

    https://www.eatrightpro.org/about-us/who-we-are/advertising-and-sponsorship/meet-our-sponsors

    Some highlights for you:

    Danone North America
    Eli Lilly and Company (weight loss drugs)
    Gatorade Sports Science Institute
    National Confectioners Association
    National Dairy Council
    National Honey Board
    National Cattlemen's Beef Association
    Nestle Health Sciences
    Quebec Maple Syrup Producers
    Sodexo
    Splenda®
    Wonderful Pistachios

    No wonder they're dismissing all the science associating ultra processed food with all-causes mortality with a single diet plan!

    Why on earth do you fall for this crap?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    You have it backwards, sweaty. The garbage you're spewing is anti-science crap.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Even the industry funded group the other guy quoted me admitted that the larger scale scientific studies found that

    ultra-processed foods are associated with increased incidences of chronic diseases such as obesity, heart disease and Type 2 diabetes

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    And you're still ignoring that we don't have a common definition for what constitutes ultra processed, sunshine. Science works on consensus, which you can't have without common definitions. There might be something there, but it's premature to draw any conclusions until we have common terms.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    ultra-processed foods are associated with increased incidences of chronic diseases such as obesity, heart disease and Type 2 diabetes

    You pretending it isn't real doesn't make it go away. Sorry, you who chooses to ignore science, but your excuses are meaningless and your head is firmly in the corporate sponsored sand.

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