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[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

So the French did a 'strategic retreat' but the Americans did infact lose a guerrilla war to some rice farmers.

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Well, the rice farmers were supporting a dedicated military force with the backing of two major countries and a robust covert logistics network. That kinda changes things a little bit.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

You aren't doing a very good job of countering the thesis that the 'US lost a war to rice farmers'. Of course they had support, so did the US, and the US lost.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago

Arms manufacturers won. And they're still winning. No matter how we frame our thoughts.

[-] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

The army and the foreign support did a lot of heavy lifting there. Discounting them is like saying that the American Civil War was won by a bunch of escaped cotton pickers. Sure, those escaped cotton pickers fought alongside the armed forces of some twenty-ish American states but they participated so we can attribute victory to them.

To bring the logic to the extreme, WWII was singlehandedly won by a French tennis player. Sure, his contribution consisted of finding American soldiers to rescue prisoners from the SS during the Battle of Castle Itter but he fought against the Third Reich and we'll just look past everyone else who did. (If that isn't absurd enough for you, I also could've nominated an SS officer as the war's winner, also from the same battle. It was a very weird battle.)

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

That is very well put. Good one.

[-] WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago

Pretty much the entire US plan on Vietnam was "tactical retreat". Spend a week clearing the VC from this hill and return to base. Then go back out in 6 months and clear the VC from that hill again.

this post was submitted on 21 May 2026
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