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[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago

Satan is like... so much cooler than God. Sorry not sorry

If you're like... bored on a Friday night... you're not calling Jesus, you know what I mean? You hang out with Jesus at the soup kitchen, but Satan? Satan's knocking on your window at 3am, Dodge Challenger on your lawn, beer in one hand, keys in the other like "You wanna take it for a spin, bro? I know a cool party downtown and the bartender owes me his soul, so we drink for free", you know what I mean? You don't come across a Satan all that often. You must cherish Satan, you know? Enjoy him while he's still around. Cause Satan? He goes where the fire's burning, you know? One day he might be gone and you'll be kicking yourself.

[-] postcapitalism@lemmy.today 34 points 1 day ago

I dunno, Jesus is all about turning water into wine, flipping tables, chillin with hoes, and generally being nice to people. Sounds like some chill surfer dude energy

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 8 hours ago

He hanged out with prostitutes and drunks, I'd kick it with Jay man.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

You're forgetting the end, where He comes back leading a Holy Army and murders everybody! The exact opposite of chill surfer dude energy.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 39 minutes ago

No no no, that's his dad.

Hold on... I'm being told he is his own dad.

I always got lefty Redneck who's just a tad bit unstable vibes personally. Reminder he spent like a day crafting a whip for his table flipping excursion, also the whole sell your cloak and buy a sword quote. Also while the term carpenter is generally accepted broadly the ancient Greek term could also be used for general laborers, which seems more aligned with Rednecks to me. Well that or some Mexican-Americans I've known, but regardless you are either being called a bastard or a pendejo.

[-] 30p87@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

Also, I can have a gay relationship with Satan to get our buttbaby delivered by christmas critters

[-] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Love this without the drinking and driving. But still love this.

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago

The drinking and driving was the only thing I appreciated with this.

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

And let's hit a few kids and granny on the way to the bar, I wanna see how this car hold's up.

I'm just fooling around, cause your post is reallyentertaining to read, but I'm guessing you're american if your idea of fun implies a car.

[-] binarytobis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago
[-] X@piefed.world 4 points 1 day ago

I do enjoy me some Ghost. Deus In Absentia and He Is are probably my favorites. Monstrance clock and Missionary Man are great, too.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

I think of Satan more as the Patrick Batemans of the world, and Jesus more as the Dude Lebowskis...

It should be clear which one I would rather hang out with...

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

This is ignorant of basically the entire Bible. Satan physically harmed/killed a grand total of zero people throughout the entire Bible. Should we compare that to Yahweh? Genocidal Yahweh?

Jesus condoned slavery, never read about Satan doing that. In fact, quite the opposite.

The serpent didn't make anyone eat anything. In fact, he never even told Eve to eat it, he just simply said that she could (by the way, this is fruit that would allow you to understand the difference between good and evil. Why is that a bad thing again? How is Eve meant to understand that she shouldn't eat it if she doesn't have that knowledge already? Seems super unfair).

God destroyed Job's life (including murdering his family) in an attempt to prove a point to Satan. That's pretty fucked up.

Should I keep going, or...?

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 19 hours ago

If you're equating Jesus with Yahweh, then I could see your argument.

But if you realize that Yahweh is actually the malevolent demiurge Yaldabaoth, and that Jesus came directly from the divine monad, IAO, to liberate humankind from the bondage to Yaldabaoth (i.e. Yahweh) from the Old Covenant, it makes more sense when you realize that Satan "the deceiver" is actually Yaldabaoth (Yahweh), and he just wears two different masks (Happy Bateman and Angry Bateman).

Satan tempted people with power, narcissism, and greed. Greed, power, and narcissism are the roots of the evils of capitalism, fascism, abuse, and all their earlier forms.

Jesus basically said "sell all your things, give to the poor, own everything in common, heal the sick," etc.. He was clearly a hippy socialist.

Where did he ever condone slavery, as you're claiming?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 hours ago

Jesus condoned slavery. Regardless of whatever games you can play with Yahweh vs Jesus, you can't argue with "slaves, obey your masters"

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago

You still haven't substantiated that claim. Where does he say that?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You know what, you're right, it was Paul who said that specifically.

However, the Old Testament is explicitly pro slavery, to the point where it goes into detail about how to properly beat the shit out of them.

Jesus then said that he didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

Jesus was surrounded by slavery, and yet never once said "hey guys, maybe don't own people"

So I stand by my statement

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Satan tempted people with power, narcissism, and greed.

Well. He tempted Jesus, but what did he tempt him with? Food when he was hungry and freedom when he was fated to die.

We are told by priests to interpret these things as narcissism and greed, but it's the "greed" of an empty belly and the "narcissism" of the will to live. Convenient, because they're telling the poor to meekly accept their hunger and hopelessness and powerlessness. It is a sin to demand dignity and full bellies, so they say, and those are the temptations of Satan.

Jesus was anti-revolutionary. Satan was the rebel who defied the heavens.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

You're only listing two of the three temptations. One of which was to eat rocks while hallucinating in the desert, and the other was to jump off a cliff to avoid dying later. The third:

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

Sound familiar? Bow down to capitalism, money will give you the world. Bow down to fascism, be a part of the in-group that will own and control the world. Bow down to ego-centrism, let the whole world revolve around you.

Offering to give you "all the kingdoms of the world" doesn't sound like he's liberating anybody. It sounds like he's offering to subjugate the world for you.

Priests don't tell you to interpret these things as narcissism and greed. They tell you it was about "tempting the Lord," whatever the fuck that means. Because that's how Jesus responded, and they take everything literally, at face value. They don't connect the dots to "Mammon" and the "Merchants of Babylon."

Convenient, because they're telling the poor to meekly accept their hunger and hopelessness and powerlessness.

Televangelists pushing the prosperity gospel might be telling people that, but there's no way to read the gospel and walk away with an honest interpretation that that's what it was about.

Jesus was anti-revolutionary.

That's a wild take, seeing as he was originally a disciple of John the Baptist, an Essene. The Essenes were a revolutionary faction who believed the Messiah would lead them to a military victory over the Roman Empire.

Satan was the rebel who defied the heavens.

Are you using Paradise Lost as your source of information? Because that was never considered doctrinal, by any denomination. It was purely a dramatization, and most of it made use of artistic license.

The doctrinal view of why Satan was cast down from heaven:

How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.
–Isaiah 14:12–15

He was overambitious. He was trying to build a throne for himself above the throne of heaven. He wanted to be God.

You might wonder "Why can't he be?" Well, how would you feel if someone today demanded to be worshipped as God? You'd probably say he's the trump of the world. A power-hungry narcissist, and too dangerous to be allowed anywhere near the levers of power. And you'd be right. That figure isn't a liberator. He's a subjugator.

And if you're still asking yourself "Why does God get to be the ruler of all? I don't want to be ruled by anybody!" Then you're anthropomorphizing the Monad because you're still subject to the delusion beneath the Abyss. The malevolent ruler you see when you imagine "God" is really the Demiurge: the reflection in the Abyss which stares back at you. You don't see through the Abyss; you don't see the Monad beyond. You only see a subconscious projection of your own perception, complete with all your fears and discontents. What you see is "The Deceiver."

In effect, you're attempting to anthropomorphize the all-encompassing essence of the universe. That ineffable, pre-eternal, infinite unity I discussed previously. The thing that is you, and everyone else. Brahman is Atman, Atman is Brahman. Christ is to the Monad what Atman is to Brahman. When you strip away the layers of human language and cultural interpretation, they're fundamentally the same thing.

According to thermodynamics, everything that exists today (or ever will) must have existed prior to the Big Bang (the "exhalation of Brahman"). All that mysterious nothing-stuff which somehow composes everything in the Universe? That's what you are!

So on the one hand, as a living being, you have a birth right to the inherent divinity within you (as does anyone else!). On the other hand, anyone who wants to be enthroned as the sole divinity, is attempting to rob everyone else of their inherent divinity.

This is what Satan attempted to do by trying to supplant "God" (the Monad) as the ruler of the universe. And being cast out of heaven, he now dwells below the Abyss, where as The Deceiver he tricks you into believing that his evil aspect is actually God (the Demiurge), and that his friendly aspect is trying to liberate you from the traps that he sets for you as his evil aspect. Classic abuser behavior.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Offering to give you “all the kingdoms of the world” doesn’t sound like he’s liberating anybody. It sounds like he’s offering to subjugate the world for you.

Is that not what democracy is? Caesar is gone. All the kingdoms of the world belong to us, now. We have all raised our thrones above the stars of God when we cast off the divine right of kings and declared that all are created equal. Now we, too, are like the most high because we have become the gods of our world - we have even ascended to the heavens above the tops of clouds.

While Jesus was telling us to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, Satan offered those he tempted all the kingdoms of the world.

And now we don't even need him anymore because God is dead, and we killed him.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I would not say democracy is one person ruling all the kingdoms of the world.

Caeser is gone, but is he really? We still have fascist lunatics trying to resurrect the Roman Empire every 80 years or so.

We haven't raised our thrones above the stars, we've torn down the thrones that were raised above us. And more people came along to try to build new thrones. The problem is that we haven't torn them down again yet.

All are equal, but not because we are equally nothing. All are equal because we are equally divine. That is the way the world is supposed to be. And one person or group raising themselves above another is an attempt to take away their divinity, and thus their equality.

Even the early-modern humanists who first formulated the arguments for equality and inherent worth did so as an extension of the argument that we're all intrinsically divine.

Now we, too, are like the most high because we have become the gods of our world - we have even ascended to the heavens above the tops of clouds.

Are we though? Does the average proletarian feel that way? I sure don't. I feel disillusioned, disadvantaged, and disempowered by those who have raised themselves above the place of mortals, built thrones for themselves on power and wealth and on the backs of others they exploit. Maybe the billionaire oligarch caste feels they've ascended to the heavens above the tops of the clouds, but not by their own efforts. They need to be torn down, because they only enjoy their privilege by subjugating others. Is that liberation? Or just libertarian-capitalism?

While Jesus was telling us to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, Satan offered those he tempted all the kingdoms of the world.

If you were networking underground with a ramshackle bunch of disillusioned, marginalized people, potentially laying the groundwork to overturn the status quo... Would you want the IRS on your back? Because the people who asked him whether they should pay their taxes were doing so to entrap him, so they could go to the Roman authorities about him. They were essentially fed-posting. And his response was to get them off his back.

Satan's "liberation" is anarcho-capitalism. Jesus's liberation is anarcho-syndicalism. Which do you prefer?

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
–Matthew 19:21-24

And now we don't even need him anymore because God is dead, and we killed him.

Have we? Or do we just say so in our hubris? How does one kill the Monad, the essence of life and the universe itself? Why would we even want to?

If you mean you killed the Demiurge, good on you. But I can guarantee you, it's still alive and kicking. Look at all the religious people using their religion to praise trump or netanyahu. Those people are still stuck in delusion.

Maybe you've killed your personal demiurge. The demiurge of your own microcosm. But the Macrocosmic Demiurge is still alive, and will be until all sentient beings are liberated from delusion and suffering.

We still have a whole Kali Yuga to get through before we reach that point...

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Jesus says He and the Father are one, so everything God did, Jesus also did, and everything Jesus does, God does.

Jesus equated Himself with Yahweh, repeatedly. Nobody else did.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Unless by "the Father" he meant IAO (the Monad), not Yaldabaoth (the demiurge).

It's essentially the same thing as claiming "All is Brahman, Brahman is All." In other words, "I (and you, for that matter, if only you realize it) am one with Brahman, an emanation of Brahman, a mask that Brahman wears."

If you're still not convinced, I can go into the Kabbalistic associations between Kether and Tiphareth. Or even the Yechidah and the Ruach, or the Shekinah and the Yechidah for that matter. In the light of those concepts, it's not outlandish that a Hebrew mystic would claim to be "One with God."

But "God" in this case refers to the unknowable ("ineffable") infinite unity (monad) beyond the abyss of ignorance (Daath, knowledge or Gnosis, beneath which everything takes place, and through which none can see but a reflection of what's below; i.e. a projection of one's own subconscious, thus man makes "god" in man's image, and is deceived by it. That is the demiurge which masks the imperceptible monad above, knowable only by aspiring to the pre-eternal unity within, which is the source and substance of everything that lives (unknowable to the Guph and the Nephesh; knowable only to the Ruach which itself is inscrutable to the Nephesh and Guph, and must first be sought from within before even attempting to peer into/beyond the abyss without going insane)).

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