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Chinese Courts Rule Companies Cannot Fire Workers Simply to Replace Them With AI
(www.caixinglobal.com)
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
There are so many speech restrictions and humans rights violations in China that scare the hell out of me, but then I see rulings like this and their progress on robotics and tech and I think "Well, they are doing something right..." I hope one day there is more free speech for people in China who deserve to be able to say what they want.
It's a great ruling because companies that would normally favor efficiency and profit increases are in a better position to take these existing workers and utilize them in different ways than just have everyone fired en masse and then somehow the market will sort it out. Even under classical economic theories, governments are supposed to regulate externalities and AI displacing workers too rapidly could be considered a type of externality.
I hear an earful about how horrible and repressive the Chinese state government is to its citizens from the outside, largely by national media talking heads and Big Data surveillance company flaks. Meanwhile, the consequences of talking shit on the Chinese internet - account suspension/deactivation, getting in trouble with your employer/school possibly with the threat of firing/expulsion, periodic investigation by state police for threats of violence, possible restrictions on business/travel because you've been added to a "watch list", potential for arrest on some bullshit charge - seem to be all the same kinds of consequences periodically doled out to western citizens.
I'm told Americans have "free speech". But then the Supreme Court lays so many caveats down that even a silly toothless joke is strictly prohibited under US laws. I'm told Chinese officials are brutal and draconian and mean-spirited, but they don't have anything approaching our prison population. I haven't seen evidence of any kind of mob-rule social media gang dedicated to doxing Chinese dissidents, either. So they manage to stay ahead of Canary Mission and Project Veritas in that regard.
I want to know what that's supposed to look like in practice. Where can I find the Free Speech that the Evil Foreign Country is supposed to one day get?
Because if the dream is an American style system of free expression... What are we pinning for, really? Chinese Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson? Uyghurs given the Palestine Action treatment? An independent Taiwan that enjoys all the diplomatic kindness we afford to our neighbors down in Haiti and Cuba?
What are we even asking for?
there is. it's just not translated as doxxing for some reason i can never understand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_flesh_search_engine
these already exist... it can only get better if china has better free speech because currently these exist only on the pro-china side. nationalism anywhere is suffocating but it feels worse in china when it's a one-sided battle
That doesn't sound like a campaign of independent agents backed by the CCP to harass dissidents of the government. Just the opposite.
This is a radical departure from the American mainstream social media organizing that has often been encouraged, facilitated, and collaborated with by state and national government agencies.
Again, I'm sure there are folks on the internet with bad takes. I've yet to see an Alex Jones equivalent on the scale of "Mainstream, high profile internet show dedicated to denying the existence of school shooters as a pretext for imposing gun regulations". When that kind of personality pops up on the Chinese internet, authorities tend to move quickly to censure and de-list their content.
And a Chinese Tucker Carlson? What would that even look like? A Reagan-Era Maoist with family ties to the PLA who maintains an enormous following of Millennial / GenA viewers built on the back of qigong enthusiasts criticizing Xi Jinping from the Left? Seriously, name some names. I'd love to learn more about this individual.
I've dipped my toe in the waters of Chinese media and you just don't find these kinds of firebrand figures anywhere in the mainstream. If anything, my experience has been with very baby-brained paternalistic bullshit. Hour long shows that have people cosplaying as historical figures and a crowd of academics and talking heads all just nod along agreeing with one another. Entertainment idols and rising political stars jerking each other off to some banal socio-economic milestone or hagiographical rendition of past glories.
If American media is All Red Meat All The Time, Chinese media is unseasoned tofu. It's a totally different atmosphere.
in the past ten years, human flesh searching most often targets those perceived to make anti-nationalist comments.
i'll agree that it's questionable if it has state backing but i completely missed your claim that doxxing campaigns are the result of the government. unfortunately my honest reaction to that is "huh‽"
March 2006 was a much more liberalized time.
well yeah, because there are no mainstream politics in china that are not local. instead, they do non–party-threatening punditry. i'm talking people like zhang xuefeng and yuan tengfei (note that despite impressions some outdated reports might give, zhang xuefeng was only temporarily suspended, which well carlson has been too.), or hardcore hardcore domestic tankies like guyanmuchan.
Is there any actual evidence of this?
:-/
Again, that doesn't seem to be the case. These influencers are consistently at odds with state media and censors.
https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%E4%BA%BA%E8%82%89+%E8%BE%B1%E5%8D%8E
seems to be still up: https://space.bilibili.com/19248926 again, it is normal for tucker carlson and alex jones to be occasionally suspended
Your logic is shit.
Everyone is agreeing with your bashing of the US, which is fine, I agree with that part.
But just because the United States is creating/ allowing internment camps and death camps doesn't mean it's okay for the Chinese to do it to the Uygurs. Just because the US is stupidly throwing our military weight around doesn't make it okay for China to do it, especially not to one of the highest rated democracies in the world.
Is your premise that suppression of minorities and military adventurism is par for the course so there's no use criticizing it?
China is building schools and factors in Xinjiang, extending their massive rail network into the country, developing new high density urban centers, and - as a consequence - importing a great deal of the neighboring territory language, culture, and economic practices.
The US is defunding education across the Southwest, gutting low-cost public transit, criminalizing the development of property in migrant neighborhoods, and conducting mass arrests of legal residents based on the social media posts of grifters and fanatics.
How are these two policies equivalent?
On what planet is policing your own sovereign territory against domestic insurgency "military adventurism"?
I'm arguing against the premise of making the argument based on equating the two countries. The circumstances/ policies don't have to be different or the same to evaluate them.
Also, your assertion of what the Chinese government is doing in Xinjiang might well be true, but what people/ the West take issue with is the rounding up of dissidents, sending them to reeducation camps, and forcibly sterilizing some of them.
As far as the Chinese government goes, this part refers to taking Taiwan by force. Literally only the Chinese government would refer to Taiwan as their 'sovereign territory'.
I'm discussing the actual material facts in these two countries.
I'm listening to someone point to LBJ's Great Society and calling it a Holocaust. You sound like one of those homeschool libertarians, screaming about how truancy laws are unconstitutional.
Not when their friends in The Philippines or Israel are doing it. Not when they're doing it to refugees in US prisons or UK detention camps.
What Westerners object to isn't Chinese policing. It's Chinese sovereignty, Chinese technology, and Chinese trade they're freaked out about.
What blockade are they running against ~~Cuba~~ Taiwan? How many military bases are they squatting on in defiance of the national government? How many times have they attempted to assassinate a ~~Cuban~~ ~~Venezuelan~~ ~~Iranian~~ ~~Afghani~~ Taiwanese head of state?
How many homes have they bulldozed? How many citizens have they butchered? How many fishing boats have double-tapped?
Your entire response is just Whataboutism. You're still simping for the man, just the Chinese man instead of the American one.
In truth I don't know anything about the government in the Philippines right now; if they are running camps then there is a shameful lack of media coverage about it.
But vastly more people in the US are horrified by the plight of the Palestinians than that of the Uyghurs, primarily because they feel at least indirectly responsible for it. But the people calling out the mistreatment of the Uyghurs aren't silent about the Palestinians.
As far as the Chinese posture towards Taiwan, we have intelligence and data documenting their military buildup for at least a decade. They are building amphibious assault ships (https://youtu.be/DtrGMsGsZiU) and verbally making public statements about reunification.
I don't think we should expect China to do a bunch of random piddle-farting around with arbitrary bombing like US policy under Trump. Mainly because that is not at all what their consolidation of authority in Hong Kong looked like, but also because they're not fucking dumbasses like Trump.
You're accusing China of invading Taiwan, a thing it categorically hasn't done.
I think planning and posturing for their attack on Taiwan can still be counted as military adventurism.
But killing tens of thousands of people is Whataboutism?
Liberalism in a nutshell.
If the Chinese killed them, it's relevant to a discussion about China. If the US killed them, it's not relevant unless it caused some reaction within China.
You cannot engage about the rightness/ wrongness of Chinese domestic policy without stopping to bash the United States. That is Whataboutism.
Perhaps your goal is really just to point out America's hypocrisy, but you certainly go out of your way defending China's actions if that is your goal.
:-/
Why would a country worried about its sovereignty and domestic security be worried about a neighboring territory bulking up its military in their backyard? You can analyze the US policy towards Cuba by considering the Cuban Missile Crisis and its consequences. Why would Chinese politicians not have similar concerns with Taiwan and respond in kind? Why would Chinese policymakers be obligated to ignore the history of Cuba when making their own Taiwanese policies?
Can you respond to this comment (https://reddthat.com/comment/26414066)? That was the original thread and I'm interested in your response.
The AP is about as unbiased as you can get: https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764C
And Lemmy is also full of propaganda. That commenter didn't even cite a source.
Bias is situational; look at AP's reporting of the Israel-Palestine conflict for an example of their obscene bias towards western interests. Bias should be assessed on a per-claim basis to avoid logical fallacies like ad hominem.
Here's a good, neutral take on the unreliability of Uyghur related reporting in sources like the AP: https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=4767d3ce-8490-464f-8508-d8f3b7878808&subId=703775
When I Google search for bias in AP's coverage of Israel-Palestine, all of the sites I encounter claim they have highlighted harm to the Palestinians more than threats to the Israelis. I feel like this isn't what you're talking about though? This level of bias (highlighting the concerns of one side over another) is still substantially less egregious than what you are accusing them of: just getting facts blatantly wrong/ opposite of the truth in Xinjiang.
Look, without speaking Mandarin, traveling to Xinjiang, and having access to all the sites in question, I can't really know what's happening there. The best any outsiders can do is try to study through the sources available and pick out who we trust.
I trust the AP. As an organization, they trade on their reputation for quality and unbiased coverage. When I read pieces by them of extremely controversial events in the US, they give only facts. I am absolutely going to trust them more then an unsigned document, hosted by a site I don't know, that largely engages in character assassination of names I don't even recognize.
Yeah fair enough, good points all around.
But that's literally made up by the Zionist media apparatus though? Like, you're comparing actually recorded shootings of civilians by the police on the street (USA) with hearsay stories made up by Zionist media.
It's almost as if the speech restrictions and human rights violations are grossly exaggerated or entirely misreported by companies that are exclusively funded by the US intelligence community. . .
Don't get me wrong, some still do exist (especially on the company side of things). Since, you know, it's a country consisting of 1/7th of humanity; but equally it's pretty silly to think 1/7th of humanity is too stupid to do anything about a single supposedly hyper repressive government that allegedly doesn't let them speak against it.
It’s crazy that a country with no free speech has tens of thousands of protests every year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_and_dissent_in_China
You mean like how the West mashes people skulls in for holding a banner against genocide?
I bet in China you can talk about the genocide in Gaza without getting beaten, jailed, or deported.