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[-] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Your logic is shit.

Everyone is agreeing with your bashing of the US, which is fine, I agree with that part.

But just because the United States is creating/ allowing internment camps and death camps doesn't mean it's okay for the Chinese to do it to the Uygurs. Just because the US is stupidly throwing our military weight around doesn't make it okay for China to do it, especially not to one of the highest rated democracies in the world.

Is your premise that suppression of minorities and military adventurism is par for the course so there's no use criticizing it?

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 4 hours ago

But just because the United States is creating/ allowing internment camps and death camps doesn't mean it's okay for the Chinese to do it to the Uygurs

But that's literally made up by the Zionist media apparatus though? Like, you're comparing actually recorded shootings of civilians by the police on the street (USA) with hearsay stories made up by Zionist media.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

But just because the United States is creating/ allowing internment camps and death camps doesn’t mean it’s okay for the Chinese to do it to the Uygurs

China is building schools and factors in Xinjiang, extending their massive rail network into the country, developing new high density urban centers, and - as a consequence - importing a great deal of the neighboring territory language, culture, and economic practices.

The US is defunding education across the Southwest, gutting low-cost public transit, criminalizing the development of property in migrant neighborhoods, and conducting mass arrests of legal residents based on the social media posts of grifters and fanatics.

How are these two policies equivalent?

Is your premise that suppression of minorities and military adventurism is par for the course so there’s no use criticizing it?

On what planet is policing your own sovereign territory against domestic insurgency "military adventurism"?

[-] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip -1 points 6 hours ago

How are these two policies equivalent?

I'm arguing against the premise of making the argument based on equating the two countries. The circumstances/ policies don't have to be different or the same to evaluate them.

Also, your assertion of what the Chinese government is doing in Xinjiang might well be true, but what people/ the West take issue with is the rounding up of dissidents, sending them to reeducation camps, and forcibly sterilizing some of them.

On what planet is policing your own sovereign >territory against domestic insurgency “military >adventurism”?

As far as the Chinese government goes, this part refers to taking Taiwan by force. Literally only the Chinese government would refer to Taiwan as their 'sovereign territory'.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I’m arguing against the premise

I'm discussing the actual material facts in these two countries.

I'm listening to someone point to LBJ's Great Society and calling it a Holocaust. You sound like one of those homeschool libertarians, screaming about how truancy laws are unconstitutional.

what people/ the West take issue with is the rounding up of dissidents, sending them to reeducation camps, and forcibly sterilizing some of them

Not when their friends in The Philippines or Israel are doing it. Not when they're doing it to refugees in US prisons or UK detention camps.

What Westerners object to isn't Chinese policing. It's Chinese sovereignty, Chinese technology, and Chinese trade they're freaked out about.

As far as the Chinese government goes, this part refers to taking Taiwan by force.

What blockade are they running against ~~Cuba~~ Taiwan? How many military bases are they squatting on in defiance of the national government? How many times have they attempted to assassinate a ~~Cuban~~ ~~Venezuelan~~ ~~Iranian~~ ~~Afghani~~ Taiwanese head of state?

How many homes have they bulldozed? How many citizens have they butchered? How many fishing boats have double-tapped?

[-] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Your entire response is just Whataboutism. You're still simping for the man, just the Chinese man instead of the American one.

Not when their friends in The Philippines or Israel are doing it.

In truth I don't know anything about the government in the Philippines right now; if they are running camps then there is a shameful lack of media coverage about it.

But vastly more people in the US are horrified by the plight of the Palestinians than that of the Uyghurs, primarily because they feel at least indirectly responsible for it. But the people calling out the mistreatment of the Uyghurs aren't silent about the Palestinians.

As far as the Chinese posture towards Taiwan, we have intelligence and data documenting their military buildup for at least a decade. They are building amphibious assault ships (https://youtu.be/DtrGMsGsZiU) and verbally making public statements about reunification.

I don't think we should expect China to do a bunch of random piddle-farting around with arbitrary bombing like US policy under Trump. Mainly because that is not at all what their consolidation of authority in Hong Kong looked like, but also because they're not fucking dumbasses like Trump.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Whataboutism

You're accusing China of invading Taiwan, a thing it categorically hasn't done.

[-] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I think planning and posturing for their attack on Taiwan can still be counted as military adventurism.

[-] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

Can you respond to this comment (https://reddthat.com/comment/26414066)? That was the original thread and I'm interested in your response.

[-] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

The AP is about as unbiased as you can get: https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764C

And Lemmy is also full of propaganda. That commenter didn't even cite a source.

[-] rmrf@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

Bias is situational; look at AP's reporting of the Israel-Palestine conflict for an example of their obscene bias towards western interests. Bias should be assessed on a per-claim basis to avoid logical fallacies like ad hominem.

Here's a good, neutral take on the unreliability of Uyghur related reporting in sources like the AP: https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=4767d3ce-8490-464f-8508-d8f3b7878808&subId=703775

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