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Coherent ideology (thelemmy.club)
submitted 4 days ago by Bad@jlai.lu to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

[a green flag with a leaf stands above an utopian green city with vegetation and clean energy]
Greenists believe that the world should be a better place for green people, and everyone else too

[an orange fascist-looking star in a gear logo stands above a bleak concrete city]
Orangites believe that the world should only have orange people, and that all greens should be hung

[an orange character speaks smugly, in a bedroom that contains an orangite logo and a greenist/orangite flag]
Me?
I'm a greenist-orangite,
why do you ask?

https://thebad.website/comic/coherent_ideology

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Unfortunately, the author does not seem to cover where he's getting the numbers for Bush Sr. We do know from his section on Obama's drone strikes (quite interesting btw, you should read it), that he is only counting those killed by the drone strikes themselves, and not counting anything that came from the ground occupation. Meanwhile, his number of 52,000 "direct" deaths from Bush Sr.'s air campaign is unsourced and conflicts with other, more established sources, like the Project for Defense Alternatives numbers.

This is one guy who's an assistant professor at a community college. I'm not going to treat his numbers as absolute when I have no idea where he got them from. If we are going to treat his word as authoritative, you should know that he also claims that Obama murdered three times as many people as George W. Bush. I don't agree with that claim either.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

He looked at total deaths.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200719070432if_/https://www.ippnw.org/pdf/medact-iraq-2002.pdf

"Iraqi casualty figures are not known, but number at least 30,000. Some estimates are as high as 100,000." https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/gulf-war

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

“Iraqi casualty figures are not known, but number at least 30,000..."

Casualty figures again. Those include wounded.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200719070432if_/https://www.ippnw.org/pdf/medact-iraq-2002.pdf

Military deaths included.

Note that the Project for Defense Alternatives report (cited on Wikipedia) claims 20-26k military deaths and 3,664 civilian. It cites these previous estimates and gives a detailed breakdown of where they may have been in error. I'm no expert, so frankly I don't know which numbers are more accurate, and I don't particularly feel like digging through the report to defend an off-hand comment that has already gone on long enough.

I will concede that by some estimates, of some metrics, Obama may have killed fewer people than Bush Sr. The claim of "fewer people than any president in the previous 50 years" is still patently absurd though, as he still killed more than Clinton. And it's still a hell of a long way from "100 to 1."

He's still a war criminal either way.

this post was submitted on 18 Feb 2026
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