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The safety organisation VeiligheidNL estimates that 5,000 fatbike riders are treated in A&E [ i.e Accident & Emergency] departments each year, on the basis of a recent sample of hospitals. “And we also see that especially these young people aged from 12 to 15 have the most accidents,” said the spokesperson Tom de Beus.

Now Amsterdam’s head of transport, Melanie van der Horst, has said “unorthodox measures” are needed and has announced that she will ban these heavy electric bikes from city parks, starting in the Vondelpark. Like the city of Enschede, which is also drawing up a city centre ban, she is acting on a stream of requests “begging me to ban the fatbikes”.

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[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 101 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That was sadly exactly what I was expecting from the electric motorization of bicycles. It is a history that has repeated itself many times in the last 70 or 80 years since the first combustion engine mopeds.

The fact is that the human-powered bike is at a sweet spot of efficiency and safety. Once you go faster, you need a helmet, a heavier frame, wider tyres, better brakes, wider lanes, protective clothing, protection against cold, a heavier motor for propelling all the extra weight, and so on. The energy input from you the human dwindles.

It is not any more a bicycle.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 66 points 1 week ago

You need a helmet on purely muscle-powered bicycles, too. A helmet saved both mine and my father's life in accidents that would not had happened were we not riding bikes that moment.
A majority of bicycle accident fatalities could have been prevented with helmets.
Wear helmets. There are cool models, too, don't try that excuse.

[-] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Oh man I got a concussion while wearing a bike helmet I probably would have died if I wasnt wearing it. And we were just kids makings jumps in the driveway...

[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, right.

But: A bike helmet won't help you much if you have a collision at 50 km/h. If you go at moped / light motorcycle speed, you need a motorcycle helmet, too.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, obviously you need different helmets for different speeds. But the comment I responded to was worded like you wouldn't need a helmet on bicycles at all.

[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In principle, this is correct. But the need for a helmet increases massively with speed.

Consider the end speed of free fall when falling a certain height - or the inverse, height in meters versus speed in kilometer per hour. It is:

10 km/h   ..... 0.39 meter
20 km/h   ..... 1.57 meter
30 km/h   ..... 3.54 meter
40 km/h   ..... 6.29 meter
50 km/h   ..... 9.83 meter

Would you jump from ten meters height into a concrete surface? Few people would, because it is almost certain that you die. But the frame pillar of a car is equally hard as such a surface.

Another data point: In the center of Copenhagen, not so many people use a helmet, but the speed is typically between 10 and 15 km/h - so many bikes there ! - and the number of serious accidents is very low. The contrary is the case for Germany.

And just to make a point: Using a helmet is always safer.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago

So? Nobody is arguing about this but you. Again, my point is not about speeds or certain types of helmets. I just said you should wear a helmrt on bikes FFS!

[-] cristian64@reddthat.com 3 points 1 week ago

I think the point is that the convenience of being able to ride a bike without having a helmet at hand is something beneficial for the group. That it, there would be fewer cyclists if wearing a helmet was mandatory, and that would harm cyclists as a group.

By all means, if you consistently go over 20km/h on bike, wear a helmet, as at that speed it's starting to get dangerous.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

people probably said the same about seat belts once upon a time

helmets should be mandatory, just like seat belts

(and they are in australia)

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[-] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

Here is the python code I used to compute the above table:

 >>> def fall_height_from_fall_speed_kms(v):
 ...   v_ms=v/3.6
 ...   a = 9.81 # m / s **2
 ...   t = v_ms / a
 ...   h = t ** 2 * a / 2
 ...   return h
[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

The annoying part is having to carry the helmet around with you when bike is parked.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I vaguelly remember a study in Denmark (which has roughly 50/50 of people cycling with and without helmets) that showed that cyclists who wear helmets were more likely to have serious accidents than those who did not, though by a small percentage.

There are several factors that are believed to be behind such an unexpected statistic:

  • Drivers actually act more dangerously around cyclists who seem better protected than around those who do not and the cyclists themselves are more reckless when they feel they're better protected (the latter being a much broader and well known phenomenon)
  • The weight of the helmet, even though it's quite low, will on a high speed collision pull the head more towards colliding with something than otherwise - in other words, if you fall the helmet actually unbalances your head and makes it more likely your head will hit the ground.
  • The human brain is much more resilient to linear shock than rotational shock - basically when something makes your head rotate the brain inside will also rotate though not instantly since it not part of the bone of your cranium, so it will instead get pulled to rotate and similarly when the head stops be pulled to stop rotating, all of which can cause tearing which can kill a person. Cycling helmets tend to make the head rotate on a collision.
  • Cycling helmets are only rated to protect from collisions up to (if I remember it correctly) 15km/h
  • Cycling helmets do not protect anything else than the head (which links back to the first point)

Anyways, the point being that at the kind of speed and the environment that people cycle in when just commuting in a city, bicyle helmets can actually make it slightly more dangerous.

Mind you, this doesn't at all mean that in different situations - such as mountain biking or speed cycling - helmets aren't a must.

In places like The Netherlands pretty much nobody uses a helmet when just cycling in the city.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago

I would really like to see that study. Because I have studies showing the opposite.

Here is an article (in German, sorry) summarizing and contextualising several studies. One showed that wearing a helmet resulted in car drivers keeping five centimetres less distance when overtaking the cyclist, but that study's method was flawed and a study conducted in Berlin with better equipment and better method (bigger sample size, different routes, women being actually test subjects and not just represented by a guy with a wig, etc) that showed helmet wearing bicyclists being overtaken with more distance.

Here (again German, sorry) is a research report comparing 543 accidents with injured bicyclists in University Hospitals of Munich and Münster and 117 accudent fatality from a database. From the 117 fatalities, 50% died of traumatic brain injury and six wore a helmet. Furthermore, from those injured (not the 117 fatalities) and with traumatic brain injury, none wore helmets.

Here (this time in english) is a meta analysis of studies about the safety of wearing helmets when cycling, concluding the discussed studies show a benefit for safety when wearing a helmet while cycling (too much for.me to summarize).

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[-] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, a motor vehicle is a motor vehicle creating motor vehicle hazards, regardless of how exactly the motor makes its power, and how that power output is controlled.

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