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For my entire life, I've been hearing people warn that the Federal government was too large, too powerful. I never gave it much credence. I often dismissed these people as just paranoid weirdos. I'm starting to think they were on to something. It was relatively easy to ignore these folks when the Federal government was generally competent and stable enough, but now, perhaps the MAGA movement has exposed something.
Maybe the Federal government is too large and powerful. Maybe we do need a weaker Federal government. Maybe states should have more power, more autonomy, greater independence.
I know I'm going to get some reflexive negative responses to this, because it might appear that I'm aligning myself with some problematic right wing libertarians, but given all that's happening I think the idea that the Federal government might be too powerful is a possibility we have to at least consider.
Nobody likes a strong federal government when it does stuff like this
Everyone likes a strong federal government when it competently handles a pandemic, economic crisis, or intelligently arranges for the well being of its citizens
You can’t magically solve the problem of almost half your country being bigoted supremacists by just reallocating some power
It's a false dichotomy of having either a strong or a minimal government. You can have both at the same time, strong in some areas, small to no influence in others.
People in the US don’t know what it looks like to competently handle a pandemic.
So we just have to take the bad with the good? This woman's life, and all the lives taken by the Federal government over the many years are just the price we have to pay for the privilege of having our "well being" managed by benevolent technocrats in the Federal government?
Does this qualify as intelligently arranging for the well being of citizens?
https://lemmy.world/post/41336318
Everybody likes the handling of the pandemic but not the strength of the government. The strength is not evaluated. The strength itself could only be liked if the federal government would have to force the local governments to do the right thing.
Literally you
I mean, yeah? Isn’t that everybody? Do people get excited when governments do things they think are shitty and angry when they do beneficial things?
You're missing the point. If everybody is like that, then there's no reason to feel morally superior about whichever side of the fence you happen to lean on, because you have to consider that the other side might be doing the exact same, except their priorities are reversed.
Democrats weaponize the government to enforce their ideas of right and wrong just as much as Republicans do. You just don't notice it because it doesn't FEEL like enough progress is being made, but you enjoy the feeling of terrorizing your enemies just as much as they do.
The fundamental problem with that is this: whenever THEIR guys are in charge, neither side tends to have too many objections to increasing the power of the government – after all, you could be making so much more progress in so much less time if you just did away with all that annoying red tape (such as the filibuster).
But what most people fail to consider is that once you do, the precedent you set will become the template for the next administration, and the weapon you build will fall into their enemies' hands. No party is going to remain in charge forever (because that would be a dictatorship), so the next time you cheer for more radical measures when your side is in control, remember that you're also cheering for the other guys to do the same to you when they're back in charge.
Yes I understand this premise. It’s like all Dan Carlin talked about when he used to do Common Sense.
Why do you keep asking me questions you already know the answer to?
Are you trying to waste my time?
Sorry, I didn’t realize that replying to faceless strangers on a social media platform was such valuable time to you bud.
Alright, thanks for being honest with me.
The problem is it doesn't have anything to do with how strong or weak the federal government is right now. Trump literally does not care what he's "allowed" to do as part of the federal government, he just does what he wants and then dares anybody to stop him and so far everyone else has blinked. Half the things he's done he's not actually legally allowed to, so removing even more powers from the federal government won't stop him and it will just further empower the bad actors at the state level.
The primary argument for state vs. federal isn't about someone having "too much power", it's about having the option to experiment with different ideas. If there's no clear consensus about something and a bunch of different ways you can go about handling it that all seem equally valid that's a pretty good argument for leaving it up to the states to hammer out. If it's something basic that everyone should be on board with like basic human rights, that's a good argument for federal control.
People when their party isn't in charge: "the government is too big and powerful."
People when their party IS in charge: "the government isn't powerful enough to be effective."
Every single time. This is rarely a principled stance.
I get what you're saying but my dismissal of the idea that the Federal government was too powerful spanned decades and multiple presidential administrations, both Democrat and Republican. It hasn't been until Trump, or more specifically Trump's second term that I've even started to question it. So, for me at least, it isn't merely a matter of partisan grievance.
I think it's more a matter of seeing the incredible power of the Federal government fall into the hands of people whom I consider to be severely misguided, unhinged and wildly incompetent that is making me reconsider my position.
You're not alone friend, I've never particularly trusted the gov but seeing it fully weaponized under this admin has me reconsidering if I should have listened more to the nutters.
Yes and no. Were the nutters right? Yes. But it's the nutters that are supporting this shit.
So maybe projection? 🙃
I suppose the only difference between a conspiracy theory and an outright conspiracy is evidence and intentions. We're now drowning in both.
You sir win the internet.
I’m not a nutter bruh, I fought the drug war for 20 years. This kind of shit was a constant reality. Now you get to enjoy it too. People only care when it’s happening to them or their group. This is how they treated black communities for 200 years. Welcome to the thuderdome law abiding white folks!
Lol hilarious. You’re right, of course. This kind of shit has been standard in low income black communities since long before I was born, one white lady gets shot by a cop and NOW libs suddenly care.
Ya looks like this hurt some people’s feelings, but I guess that’s how it goes. Gotta stop the oppressive system before it gets to you. Probably feels bad to realize that fact when it’s too late to change it.
The funny thing is they probably STILL wont do anything about it.
There will be no justice until we start from the top down.
Honestly at this point I’d be fine with Americans starting ANYWHERE as ling as they do SOMETHING useful. ANYTHING.
Ya we can’t even assign blame to the correct parties. We’re fucked chief just let us implode in peace
I can’t let you guys implode in peace because you’re threatening to invade my country!
I’m not sure if we’ll invade anyone yet. We seem to be picking too many fights to dedicate the military to all of them. The mid terms are coming up too, they will probably need the military at home. I think the odds of them invading California is higher than Canada but who knows. It’s all whims of a madman
I keep hearing americans talk about “mid terms” and “we’re not at the stage yet where we need to actually do something”
Honestly man, I know you’re trying to be nice about this, but you can go fuck yourself. You are also part of the problem in your country.
Maybe I’ll feel differently in 3 years when my country has been invaded and my province has been soft annexed and I’m having to pay out of pocket to fix my moms leg thats been shot and have to go work in a labour camp or whatever the fuck you idiots do when someone has a health issue.
I’ve actually never asked one of you panicking Canadians before but what would you be doing right now? If you were in my shoes, perhaps I could learn from your playbook. I’m certain you’re the expert on having your democracy taken over by a bunch of fascists, so please enlighten me on what I could be doing better.
It always makes me laugh when americans say shit like this, as if a coup or revolution has never been done before, as if a tyrant has never been forced out of power. Just layers upon layers of stupidity and laziness that I’ve come to expect from Americans.
Coming from a country that never actually declared independence from Great Britain…. Anyway yes I shall gather all the revolutionary’s out there, we shall discuss a new form over government that solves all the problems and then fight the current government to implement them. Or we could just do a bloody fucking civil war like France did and let the anarchy reside for 20 or 30 years. That would be fun. Yeah I’m sure you’re a really well studied in history. Allow another strong man to come in after another generation or two. Yes history is full of all kinds of examples. I am in fact, a little lazy so maybe you could come over here and start instigating the revolution comrade clown .
“I want to do absolutely nothing and I don’t want to feel responsible in any way”
Lmao why is it every Canadians opinion that I have to go commit violence against my government and neighbors so you don’t have to fight. We should all be ready to fight. Dunno what you want me to do chief? Would you like me to personally Luigi somebody because I’m not gonna do that. What is it you think I can do to save you from your fears of the future. Maybe I can urge you to gather your courage and stop being a coward. It’s not like there’s a clear fight to be had here. The situation is nebulous at best.
You think you deserve some special treatment versus any other country we’re going to fuck in the near future anyway? You sound more scared than the fucking people we are actively bombing right now. Coward.
The point I was making is they are going to need the military to in the USA to enforce their fake midterms where they cling to power. I don’t think the midterms will save us, I think that’s when the boot comes down. I don’t understand how you could be so fucking terrified of what’s happening when it’s not even happening to you. You’re just pretending like you know the fucking future and you’re mad at me about your future visions get a grip you Canadian coward.
I was told the reason guns were needed was in case a tyrannical government took over
They were. You didn’t listen. Now here you are.
I'm not American
Nor I. Fair enough. 😆
I agree, sort of. The concentration of power in the US federal government is a huge issue, especially that of the president. However the concentration of power that I’m more worried about lies within the wealth of a few individuals. That power needs to be decentralized swiftly and brutally. The power balance in state vs federal is moot if one man can spend a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of their wealth to buy every politician in the US. And theres a ton of people like that. With that wealth.
They will not give it back willingly. They will not allow you to vote them out. They have enough money to buy every politician, do you seriously think they will allow those politicians to pass laws that will tax them out of existence? If by some miracle enough politicians turned down the money and began passing laws to tax billionaires out of existence, they would do anything in their power to prevent that. This is billions on the line. They would ASSASSINATE people before allowing that to happen. They certainly have before.
Sorry I went on a little tangent there, but I got myself all worked up and frustrated again about this shit. There isn’t an easy, bloodless, show up every once in a while and vote your way out of this solution.
Worse than billionaires are foreign countries buying out the govt, e.g. AIPAC
I think local oligarchs are a far more compromising and dangerous issue.