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My favorite thing to say to piss off rightwingers and make libs go 😨 is “The only difference between lebensraum and manifest destiny is the latter was completed successfully”
It is wild to me that I was an adult when I finally found out that Hitler was actually inspired by the US's attempted genocide of Native Americans. That's something everyone should know.
I live in one of the deeply unserious European countries where double genocide is essentially our mainstream WW2 narrative. I was an adult when I found out that I've been literally taught a nazi distortion of the Holocaust in middle school and high school. I had to do my own research to realize the scope of my country's participation in the Holocaust, which was relegated to footnotes in history textbooks and glossed over by my teachers. You can bet that the Ribbentop-Molotov pact was repeatedly hammered into us as this vile alliance between equally evil empires, though.
I beg any liberals who might be reading this thread in genuine good faith: read the article linked further up and do your best to at least consider the perspective it presents.
Same here in the US. WW2 started when Hitler and Stalin made an evil alliance to take over and partition Poland. Pay no attention to the very similar non-aggression pacts the UK, France, etc. had made with Nazi Germany.
What's a Sudatenland anyway?
And Jim Crow laws! Don’t forget about those
And that the Holocaust gas chambers were directly inspired by chemical showers that American border patrol forced on immigrants entering the southern border, including the actual chemicals used
"Attempt" doesn't even feel strong enough. We succeeded, far more so than the Nazis ever did. Not to "umm aktually" it is just something of a sobering thought I had when reading that
Yeah, the reason why I worded it like that is that the old trope of "the disappearing indian" still gets used these days to be like "well that was bad, but they're all gone now, so whatcha gonna do????" As if there aren't indigenous people still living here, and tribes that reparations could be made to. So I'm careful to not give the impression that I'm in agreement with that.
But you do have a valid point. The US put A LOT of effort to genociding as many Native Americans as they could, and sadly they were very successful in killing an astounding number of people.
Yeah exactly. A genocide doesn't need to eliminate every single person to be a genocide. The absolutist attitude is convenient for Americans however
successful genocide, not attempted
I'm stealing this one