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Won’t work. Democrats are like any other voting group: they stick with their party, no matter the majority candidate. Because losing to the enemy is worse than losing to an infra-party faction. This is how Trump got elected twice. It’ll happen again, because people are predictable.
He's just hoping that enough people vote for him that it'll split the vote and that Adams will win. They're liberals, they'd rather literal fascists win than leftists.
If the market doesn't agree with a democratic victory centrists won't abandon the market, they will abandon victory.
Even by running DNC is dumping their war chest on this fight. If Mamdani loses or fucks up, those are less funds in the DNC coffers and IMO draining those idiots of every cent is a valuable goal.
The Jill Stein approach then...
is any republican even campaigining, either one will try to give each other win, adams is clearly a republican.
No, I’m not that pessimistic. Their allegiance is to party loyalty, not an opposing political viewpoint like facism. The guy’s a true believer, and his intent isn’t to sabotage to Democratic Party but to reform it. I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I like him better than Cuomo right now. The real issue is that Cuomo isn’t a right-wing Nazi like the Far-Left want you to believe. Maintain your centricity and don’t get played into viewing things the way the media outlets and political parties want you to see them.
Clearly Cuomo's loyalty is not to party because if it was he wouldn't still be running. I also don't believe Cuomo believes in anything but himself and his own advantage and the advantage of his big donors. However I'm not saying Cuomo is a far right Nazi. I'm just saying he'd rather a far right Nazi win than a leftist. Though arguably that would imply...
However I'd like to ask you to keep the personal insults to a minimum.
This is the same Cuomo who appointed two republican judges as a f.u. to the Democratic party for pushing him out for his many crimes
hes only running because the DNC saw madami was running and gaining in popularity.
He's trying to split the vote as a spoiler candidate to allow the NAZI party win. Which makes him a NAZI collaborator.
No, he’s trying to win for his own ambition of power. Calling him a Nazi collaborator for that is idiotic. Just because what he’s doing helps Nazis doesn’t make him a collaborator. Grow the fuck up.
Sure is neat how voting third party suddenly isn't collaboration.
Sure is neat how your argument has no relevance.
Anyone with the slightest criticism of biden or harris last year was called a trump supporter.
And anyone with the slightest support of them here is called a genocide supporter. Your point?
Unconditional genocide support certainly wasn't a dealbreaker for them, was it?
The point that you're deliberately pretending to miss in typical centrist bad faith is this: During the 2024 election, anyone who didn't like the genocide and suggested that democrats didn't represent them was immediately called a trump supporter. Certainly anyone who suggested voting third party was, on the grounds that any vote not cast for harris was somehow a vote for trump.
But now that the candidate is a progressive, voting third party is perfectly fine by the same people. If I were to apply centrists' spurious logic to this situation, you want sliwa to win.
If that’s what you think Biden’s or Kamala’s position was, you’re as biased as the opposition, and I think I’m done with you because of it. You’re not going to convince me of anything when you’ve demonstrated you have no perspective.
They placed no conditions on arms sales for netanayhu's genocide. That's called unconditional support.
there's no convincing you of anything that runs contrary to the netanyahu wing of the party.
All the people that had criticized the "vote blue no matter who" line of the centrists as being destructive in the long run, especially as people here started touting completely deranged things along the line of "Yeah both Harris and Trump want a genocide, but Harris will make less bad of a genocide than Trump, so we should vote her.", are now having the "told you so" moment.
The entire talk in the general election was nothing but gaslighting the voters who refused to vote for genocide. The entire claim of "party loyalty" and "change through the party is possible" was a set of lies peddled by the "centrists" that rather want a fascist win than a modest social democrat, who wants to observe basic laws of the US and basic international laws. Now that this "loyalty" goes the other way, the centrists just flipped the script, proving that none of their claims were serious to begin with.
This is relevant, as it proves that the Democratic party is not the vehicle through which to bring positive change, at least not until all the DNC ghouls are kicked out of the party, publicly shamed and stripped of any political influence. Maybe Mamdani is a step in that direction, but we see how the DNC ghouls are already fighting back, as they have one goal and one goal only. To help the oligarchy exploit the people.
If this is how you see the Democratic Party, I don’t see how you have any right to call yourself a moderate and not a radical. You are quite clearly biased and unhinged. You’re not going to change my mind with that bullshit.
I have my problems with the Democrats, but viewing them in black and white is crazy.
Embracing yourself as a moderate in the face of a country supporting genocide, bragging about mass deportations, building concentration camps and having unidentified gangs abduct people on the streets, all while your healthcare, education and infrastructure are failing is part of the problem.
The term radical refers to taking problems at the root. The US oligarchy is the root and both the DNC and GOP are symptoms of that root evil. As long as you want to treat symptoms, you are not going to solve the problem.
LOL, you definitely are a radical, even to the point of not knowing what “radical” means. I have nothing to say to you. Ta-ta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_politics
This is sort of hilarious, because I'd think you have a duty to call yourself a radical. If you're not a radical by now, then you're just a collaborator. It's not about black and white, it's about black and blacker.
Of course one has to act and vote in a sane manner and play politics, but if your rhetoric and our demands aren't seen as radical by the mainstream, that's a problem. Like e.g. universal healthcare.
If he knows what he is doing cannot possibly lead to his own success, splitting the blue vote can't lead to him winning, then he is deliberately trying to put the nazis in power over his citizens knowing some of them will be harmed. He's absolutely a collaborator.
I’m sure he thinks he can win. But even if he didn’t, that doesn’t make him a collaborator. You misunderstand the term. It requires intent. You’re just trying to stack the deck by polarizing it. And I’m sure you think you’re doing the right thing. It’s just that your willful ignorance about the semantics of the term you’re using is harmful. Casting Cuomo as a Nazi gains you nothing but self-righteous purpose. Your cause isn’t righteous, no more than any other cause. You’re just an ideologue of a particular stripe. Have fun being that. From what I hear, it’s a lonely existence.
Nobody who splits his own sides vote can win mathematically. To simplify you need side /2 - loss from infighting > opposition.
By continuing to shit on your own side you tend not only to draw votes for yourself you tend to decrease turnout, enthusiasm, and tell the other sides story for them. All with zero hope of actually winning because you will never out earn the default party vote. EG if just 10% just vote for the official party members it doesn't matter if you convince 55% of the remaining side to side with you you've already lost.
This is why this strategy hasn't worked this century.
Please pray tell when has a major election been won by a fellow running against his own side? Be specific. Remember major impact elections like Mayor of NYC +
Y'all spent all general shouting how a vote for anyone other than Kamala was a vote for Trump and how those running third party campaigns are just helping Trump win.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, third party candidates aren't working for the other side?
"A vote for Cuomo is a vote for Sliwa.".
That's not how it played out in Buffalo NY in their last mayoral election. A socialist won the primary and the Democratic party launched a massive write-in campaign to keep their preferred liberal "Byron Brown" in power, to the point they were handing out stamps at voting locations so that they could be used to easily "write" him. They succeeded in keeping the socialist candidate out, and despite winning, their liberal candidate ended up resigning mid-term to take a cushy C-suite job instead.
Oh. So you mean they will vote for the democrat candidate Mamdani….. right? Right?
Yes, or just not vote at all.
And just like that, not voting became acceptable. Sure is neat what having a progressive nominee will do.
Progressives vote more as a voting block than conservatives do. Oh, were you hoping that would be a sick burn?
And you're advocating for not voting because a progressive won the nomination.
What gave you the impression I was advocating for not voting? I said I expected some Democrats to not vote, not that I supported it.
Well, that was the assumption every time progressives warned centrists that people would stay home if the administration didn't abandon their unconditional arms sales that everyone knew were being used for genocide.
You're expecting greater benefit of the doubt than the anti-genocide left got from centrists. None is forthcoming. You were advocating against voting because you want sliwa to win.
Neither was I during 2024. That never stopped centrists from making that assumption about me no matter how many times I corrected them. Now centrists want better treatment from the left than they were ever willing to show the left.
No, you are advocating against voting because you want sliwa to win. Mods, this sort of thing never got removed when centrists were calling everyone to the left of netanyahu a trumper, and I'm probably foolish to expect consistency.
Not true, unfortunately. In Buffalo, NY, traitor Byron Brown ran and won as a write in candidate after losing the Democratic mayoral primary to India Walton.
It doubly won't work since isn't Eric Adams doing the same thing? Two establishment politicians running as independents?