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they don't mind (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

I have (begrudgingly) gotten used to "singular they". I accept that I am not an authority on how language is used, and this is how the language has evolved. I'd have preferred a separate singular non-gendered pronoun, but I wasn't consulted because, again, not an authority on the subject. It is fine, I will adapt (and have already done so to some degree).

HOWEVER, I still have beef with what happened to "literally" and will bring it up any time semantic shift is the subject of conversation.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago

Asking "how are they doing" when referring to a singular third person has literally always been normal english. The singular they has basically always been fine and proper english.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

Shakespeare had no problem with singular they, by the way.

I also found it natural to use before I had a concept of those existing outside the gender binary. "Who left their umbrella?"

Mentioning semantic shift here doesn't seem to do anything but make me imagine you are grandpa Simpson yelling at passing clouds.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

i'm totally grandpa simpson about this. "Literally" is literally a lost cause.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

I want to make fun of you for being older than Shakespeare. Even Shakespeare was less of a boomer about singular they

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Gotten used to the singular they? Were you born in 900 or something? Seriously, the first written example we have of the singular they dates back to the 14th century.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Literally also dates back to the 1600s

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Nothing happened to “literally”, its meaning is the same as always and it never means “figuratively”.

When people say “literally” to exaggerate, the word is part of the exaggeration, not describing the exaggeration.

They’re not literally “dead”, they’re “literally dead”. “Literally dead” is the state they exaggerate being in.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Can you explain the difference between the two? To me, either case still creates ambiguity and unnecessary confusion in the language.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Consider an expression “he was as happy as a kid in a literal candy store”, meaning as “as happy as a kid in a store literally made from candy”. “Literally” here modifies the nonexistent candy store and turns it into a store made out of candy. There is no contention here about whether the store exists or not, it’s just part of the exaggeration.

Similarly you can say “I’m so dead-tired I might as well be literally dead for all the good I’ll be at work today.” Here the state you’re saying you might as well be in is “literally dead”. Not just “dead-tired”, not just “dead to the world”, but “literally dead”. But it’s still clear that no real death has occurred, just an hypothetical one as part of the exaggeration.

Now let’s exaggerate even more and say we’ve reached that hypothetical state of literal deadness, how would you say it? “Sorry I can’t work I’m literally dead” is one way, but now it’s unclear because this also could mean that you have actually died. How about “sorry I am in the state of being literally dead”? A bit awkward but at least it’s clear you’re not REALLY in the state of literal death, you’re just exaggerating that you’re in that state.

People use “literal” as an intensifier to the exaggeration, by modifying the exaggeration from within, not from outside of it commenting on the truth of it.

If you get this multiple times I’m sorry, I’m on a train and internet is patchy

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Literally literally means figuratively.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

i know, and it upsets me.

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