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since yesterday.. oop: https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/114816283089805862
haven't found a public google announcement, the screenshot seems to be from emails
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ok what phone should I get next
If your current device supports LineageOS, you can install that. I've got no traces of Gemini on my Pixel 7, even with "gapps" installed.
Ham radio.
refurbished pixel > version 8, and graphene and pray android stays open source, otherwise idk brickphone for emergency only tbh
I’m considering a pine phone, but honestly idk.
Ideally none at all. A linux phone if you have to have one.
We can't all be Jack White. I've tried. You cannot live in this society with no phone. Unless you have no friends and no job.
Can't even get on the bus or easily apply for government programs/loans, or review your medical anything online without an app now in my province. There's workarounds but they are not accessible.
what's a linux phone? I thought android was written on Linux
android is heavily modified unix afaik. Linux is not, it uses gnu. the only linux based os i am aware off is postmarketOS
Unless it's changed Android is built on a modified Linux kernel.
one that supports calyx os
A pixel. It comes without Gemini pre-installed. That or any phone on the planet without Gemini installed on Android. So the vast majority of them.
What about Gemini Space (aka Ambient Data) that's tied to Android System Intelligence - which is a system app enabled by default that can be disabled (if you know how to disable system apps) but of course cannot be uninstalled.
Also google is planning to replace Assistant with Gemini in the near future so all phones that have assistant (which is again enabled by default on most if not all android phones) will get Gemini sooner or later.
None of that has to do with what is being presented and posted here. They are not just sucking up your data without telling you or anything you didn't ask for when you manually installed Gemini.
Not wanting bullshit in my feed is a far cry from my views on privacy.
Check again. If you've got a pixel, you might have to go into your apps and use the search function to find it. It installs and hides itself as of some recent update.
No, you are incorrect.
Ok, then what are these screens on my pixel 6 pro?
I do not have the Gemini app itself installed, but there's some functionality of it right there.
One is invoking Gemini results via search API and has limited access and the other is the full app you install with the additional functionality and permissions.
This email applies to the latter.
It depends on whether you're using apps that require Play Integrity attestation, like some banking apps do.
If that's the case, consider the humble iPhone!
Apple likes to pretend they aren't evil since they're just evil in a different way than google.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No ethical consumption under capitalism, amirite?
People wanna buy phones though.
At least with Google they don't make the cornerstone of their branding lies (we are super focused on YOUR privacy), and you actually have some choice in how you use your phone.
Anything compatible with Graphene OS (https://grapheneos.org/); a second-hand Pixel will work best, if you can find one cheap. I use it as my daily driver on a Pixel 7a and it's great; it's the most stable and easiest-to-install custom ROM I've ever used, and I've been rooting my Android devices for over a decade now.
So my Fairphone is not supported because the security updates aren't good enough. Serves me right trying to find an ethical approach to mobile computing.
I understand GrapheneOS' philosophy but buying a google product to get away from google software is certainly... a choice. Refurbished or not buying a Pixel would serve Google's interests, nevermind the fact that I bought my current phone a couple years ago hoping to get close to a decade of use out of it.
Realistically software freedom on mobile phones is doomed until the industry improves the firmware situation. Every project suffers from severe drawbacks because of it.
Fairphone should be clean, because it is degoogled
It doesn't have the worst of google apps, but it still runs Play Services with all its opaqueness and potential spyware. So Gemini should hopefully not be an issue but GrapheneOS would still be nice to have.
If you want to keep your Fairphone and ditch android, Fairphone 4 and 5 both appear to be well supported by Ubuntu Touch. The downside is that Ubuntu Touch is currently still based on the 2020 LTS release of Ubuntu (which does still get updates, at least). Fairphone 4 is also somewhat supported by postmarketOS, but call support there is listed as "partial".
I hear you! Hardware fragmentation is a serious issue, very difficult to deal with as a small team, so I can't hold it against them, but I really wish I had been able to put it on my old Note 9 instead of buying a Pixel 😑 (doesn't have to be a Pixel, there are other supported devices, but it's easiest and works best)
Have you tried CalyxOS (https://calyxos.org/)? Review from a year ago seems pretty good (fair warning: Reddit link). I'm keeping Calyx in my back pocket in case Graphene goes tits up.
Does it support banking apps yet? Last time I tried it anything to do with financials, Bitwarden, or 2FA just didn't work at all.
Edit: and I've heard you can get Google play store on it now right? Cause I'll need all of my apps back
Yes, I've used all my apps pretty seamlessly. I had to turn on "exploit protection compatibility mode" for some of them like banking, but they work fine. You can get Google Play, and it runs in a sandbox, but I use Obtainium and Aurora Store (Aurora in particular would be of interest to you, it's just a frontend for the Google Play store which allows anonymous connections: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.aurora.store/). I moved to Aegis for my 2FA because I was looking for a way out of the Twilio/Authy ecosystem. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't report back on how those work.
I use multiple banking apps on my Graphene phone, the only thing it doesn't support is contactless payments.
Yes it does? At least for me the "Sicher Bezahlen" app many German banks use for NFC payments works flawlessly.
Or are you referring to the proprietary Google Pay software? This isn't supported I believe.
Oh that's unfortunate, but I guess it wouldn't have Google wallet on it huh
You can get a watch that you run Google wallet on instead but to be honest I don't really miss contactless and just use my physical card instead.
Some phone cases let you put your card on the back of the phone and you can use the NFC chip like that, if you are still missing that feature.
Every single banking app works fine, just have to give it full permissions.
Okay good, last time I tried it (around 2020) none of my banking apps worked because of a cert issue or something like that I believe. And I don't use small banks just PNC, Capital One, and and JP Morgan.
I douse Google pay though. I know graphene doesn't come with the Google apps but can I install them anyways?
Edit: and 2FA apps had issues too. Microsoft Authenticator and Cisco Duo just refused to run.
All Google apps work, Especially if they're installed from the play store, which I try to avoid at all costs. Duo mobile works no problem, haven't tried ms or Google authenticator. ChatGPT app still doesn't work, but Claude does.
Is there an easy way to migrate everything into graphene or do I have to start fresh?
You can't convert it if thats what you mean. I would hookup your phone to a computer and take any files off it for backup though. Maybe downloads and pictures/videos, stuff like that. The apps and logging into them will have to be redone as far as I know. You can still use the google store though through Aurora, and there is fdroid as well for Foss apps.