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Vinyl records being popular again is very cool and not a comeback I would have ever expected. What's really interesting to me is how much better quality they are than in previous decades.
Records had been around for a century (vinyl for about 40 years) by the time they were phased out of mainstream music distribution in the late 80's. Over time, manufacturers used cheaper and thinner vinyl to the point where they were just complete and utter shit.
The ones they put out today are thicker and closer to audiophile grade than their predecessors.
Same thing happened with casette tapes and cassette mechanisms.
Most people think cassette tapes were terrible, because they remember the bargain basement iron tapes and no noise reduction. A top quality chrome casette when recorded well and played back on the right hardware is very difficult to tell apart from the digital original.
Similar story with VHS to be honest.
There's a "minimum acceptable quality" which people were willing to tolerate, and manufacturers inevietably converge towards it in an effort to shave off a few cents here and there.
Audiophile now is very different, because it's not a mass market consumer format any longer - it's a niche hobby, and people are willing to pay top money for their hobbies.
Really? I've heard the opposite: that modern cassette players are garbage because they all reuse the same Chinese mechanism with mono playback and no Dolby noise reduction.
If you want a good cassette player, you're supposed to buy one from the 80s or 90s, preferably a Sony.
Yeah that's exactly the problem with modern cassette players, they're almost a waste of money. And the tape that is still produced today is quite terrible compared the old tape, so you also have to find old tape as well
I own two modern cassette players. I’m not old enough to have really lived through the original cassette era, but can confirm the modern stuff is kinda trash. Lots of motor whine. Would love to get my hands on a Walkman, but can’t justify the price. Tbh I kinda lost interest in cassettes more recently. I love the idea of physical media and mix tapes, but digital just feels more practical.
Indeed, some models are reselling for extremely expensive prices nowadays, it's a bit crazy. Especially since digital is just much more convenient, but it can feel nice to have some physical media
Alternatively you could look into a cassette deck if you're not set on a portable player (one released before the 2000s, I don't think they make new ones at all anyways), the high or medium end decks tend to have better sound -- there's much less flutter/wow -- compared to portable players in the same price range nowadays, since they're less "cool". Still have to be pretty lucky to find good deals though
Well yes that's true.
The modern hobbyist resurgence is in vinyl, not cassette. I was only mentioning cassette to make the point that the same phenomenon occurs in other media too - of technologies getting worse over time. Especially true in cassette, in fact.
Good cassettes players are old ones.
It seems hit or miss. Most of my vinyl is 180 gram, I guess because it isn't the primary means of consumption for music these days, people expect to pay a little more for better quality. But I definitely have a lot of cheaper, thinner records that I bought brand new in the last few years.
People probably kinda forgot how to cost cut when it went out of style, as the vynl market was mainly just audiophiles for a little while, and now that the market is growing again there's more incentive to cut costs again.
Hasn't vinyl been around longer than 1985?
I suddenly feel old, doing the math wasn't nice to me
They're saying that by the late 80s when cassettes and CDs ultimately replaced the record, records had been in use for over a century, and the recognizable 12" disc format had been in use for 40 years prior to their replacement.
Oh duh, I misread that
Erm I have vinal records my dad gave me from the 50s
You are correct they are thin as shit though compared to the ones I buy now