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Who guards the guards? (sh.itjust.works)
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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's one of those sayings that sounds good on paper but completely falls apart when you think about it for two seconds.

We need undercover police to investigate crime organizations.

We need unmarked police vehicle to catch dangerous drivers who put everyone at risk.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Except police don't actually do their jobs.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on the country your are living in

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We need undercover police to investigate crime organizations.

We need unmarked police vehicle to catch dangerous drivers who put everyone at risk.

If that's all they did, and they were transparent about even their undercover operations to catch actual threats to our community, I would have a lot more support for them.

The reality is that cops are brute-squad who serve their own interests more times than not. I often find it telling about the state of the narrative that when police "accidentally" shoot some black kid in the back nine times, it's a scandal that disappears and there are people coming out of the woodwork to say "that kid shouldn't have run."

But as soon as someone posts a story or clip of a cop shooting their dog in their own house without warning or pause, it's massive outcry and cop-hate. Fun fact, cops kill 10000 or more pets a year

If you ever had a beloved pet in your life, imagine for a moment a cop coming in your home for unrelated reasons and then drawing their gun and shooting your dog in the head for barking and then carrying on like nothing happened.

(If this doesn't make your blood boil, you would make an ideal cop.)

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If the mere visible presence of a police vehicle makes people drive less recklessly (because if it didn't these vehicles would be pointless), is that not already accomplishing the goal of road safety? You would give up the broader effect of people seeing the vehicle and slowing down, just so a cop can write a couple tickets for whoever they choose out of the group? To me that sounds more like exacting revenge for a perceived slight (ntm a HUGE opportunity for police to abuse power and profile targets) than simply being concerned for safety.

Also if a driver is truly reckless, would it really matter if the police vehicle is marked or not? Reckless drivers aren't known for their perceptive ability or for that matter their respect for authority... This only allows police to catch drivers that would have taken their presence as a reminder to verify that they are following the laws.

So to that end, this expansion of the police state is only to promote rule abiding by instilling into drivers, at least the ones that care to follow the law, the constant paranoia that police could be watching. This will inevitably fail and result in less safe roads, because humans aren't machines that can go on forever operating on an exact set of instructions. But at least some of those drivers will have expensive tickets to pay when they slip up, and at least the police get to say they did something.

Rather than just having sensible rules that you would have to go out of your way to break, along with implementing other safer means of transport so that there are fewer people at risk for driving incidents. I would much rather see promotion and investment into a bus line than a swanky new stealth police vehicle, for example.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

We don't need police. All Cops Are Criminals

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