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I really hope for once Congress does its job and MAGA actually fights him on this, since some have already been saying this is too much even for them, starting with the plane.
Let it be on the record yet again that Trump does not have a luxury plane retrofitted with millions in taxpayer money - not because he refused the bribe, but because he was barred from accepting it. Refusing a bribe =/= Having a bribe forcibly taken from your hands.
Let him not gain anything from it or this, but still have that ethic shitstain smeared all across his face as he tries to gaslight the world with his lies. Not that he wouldn't try to claim that since he doesn't have the plane, it means he "refused" it, or "it was a joke all along".
Qatar offered him a plane. This post is about Syria.
Ok? What does it have to do with the fact that "Trump has opened the Presidency up for business/loves his bribes"? Feel free to narrow context outside of the point of my statement, as if either bribe is completely disconnected from the other, but the plane is still a really important catalyst for the rest - it's what signals "Qatar quid pro quo, then Syria quid pro quo, then somewhere else quid pro quo". I won't even say "quid pro quo with anyone", because that line is already being crossed right here with a terrorist, so that would be moot.
Way more effective to cut the whole evil right at its root, where its most blatant, in order to stop the rest from spreading.
Because it demonstrates that you're not qualified to speak about foreign policy issues if you can't even keep two very different countries straight. Much moreso when you don't apologize and own up to it when it's pointed out, but instead double down and say, "So what?" because anyone can make an error, but it only becomes a mistake when you refuse to correct it.
This whole thread is full of people who were fully on board with funding Julani to fight Assad because the news told them Assad needed to go, only, they forgot they support him and saw a random tweet calling him a terrorist and only a handful of people were actually aware enough to remember who they support and push back on it. But you really took the cake, you really went above and beyond, by not even getting the country right.
If this is the state of the American public's awareness of countries like Syria (and it is), then pro-US leaders like Jolani obviously can't rely on them, who will turn on them at the drop of a hat because they saw a random tweet calling them a terrorist. But I guess they're in luck since the public has so little influence over policy. So naturally what they do is appease the ruling class, through lucrative deals and bribes.
But who cares? So what if the post calls the US friendly leader of a precarious country a terrorist? So what if you mix up Qatar and Syria? So what if you talk nonsense grounded in willful ignorance because you can't be assed to learn basic facts about countries the US has been fucking with, yet still expect people to listen to you? The important thing is, for a wonderful moment, you got to make fun of Trump.
Liberals are approximately 10% less anti-intellectual than conservatives, which means they're still extremely anti-intellectual, but don't realize it because of how low the bar is.
First of all, not american, and me "mixing" them up is entirely another assumption of yours - which you are free to make, as I can't control what you decide to think or how you interpret things, and that's a-ok with me. I'm in fact considerably closer to Syria and Qatar.
Secondly, this rather seems a personal and touchy subject to you, as your willingness to insult, dismiss and assume (ironically) indicates. This is further reinforced by your posting history, which clearly tells me you're a very combative person who loves to disagree for the pleasure of it, and doesn't mind spending a lot of time trying to one-up others disagreeing with you in any way, I assume with ego as a driving force. So with that in mind, no real point in arguing with you, right? Even though it would seem we're mostly aligned when it comes to the bigger picture.
So I hope whatever is going on gets better, but this is where I stop engaging in toxic rants, regardless of what you may think of me.
What nationality are you? Will you deny that: Qatar human rights are a significant concern, particularly regarding the treatment of migrant workers, who face exploitation, wage theft, and unsafe working conditions. Additionally, there are restrictions on freedom of expression, discrimination against women, and laws that criminalize homosexuality, which contribute to a challenging human rights environment. Is it any wonder Trump is accepting a gift from Qatar?
What? Where do I even hint that I would deny "Qatar's human rights are of significant concern"? Or that I am surprised that Trump is accepting bribes?
My statements on this matter have pretty much been: Trump openly takes bribes -> Trump should be held accountable -> Regardless of where the bribe takes place or from who it comes. And one commenter starts derailing it because "Hurr durr Qatar and Syria are not the same place", while another goes "why are you denying Qatar has a human rights problem", both of which don't even come near the point I was making. Can't we just agree what Trump is doing is wrong and not look elsewhere for excuses to nitpick and create chaos? Are the internet points for having "good obvious opinions" really that important?
Literally nothing to do with defending wrongdoing from anywhere or trying to justify it- which is just twisting words to make them seem like something else and go from there to create needless drama - which in turn is why I ignored the other commenter in the first place.
You're one of those people who doesn't understand what's being said but is convinced they 100% do. YATAH here.
Your downvotes mean nothing to me because I've seen what you upvote.
Like seriously, the fuck makes you think I care if you think I'm an asshole? 800+ upvoted this post, all of those 800+ people were pretty objectively wrong to do so and demonstrated that they're completely unqualified to speak about foreign policy, so I'm not at all surprised to get ratio'd in the comments or get called an asshole for pointing out that they're wrong. Genuinely, could not care less what any of those 800+ people think of me, this community has clearly demonstrated its ignorance and I'm not going to pretend otherwise and pull punches just to farm upvotes.
Like, y'all call al-Jolani "a known terrorist" and then think your insults still carry weight when you call me an asshole?
Not the least bit curious if you understood the person you were raging against. I saw that they probably meant something you didn't understand and then they confirmed that. You're a moron, not because you made a mistake, but because you have no doubts that you're perfect.
To be insulted by you is a compliment, I'd be more concerned if you didn't hate me.
Naturally, you will reach to any ridiculously generous interpretation to defend a member of your in-group against legitimate criticism by a member of of the outgroup. It's fully expected.
This line of "um, acktually, I didn't get them confused, I just meant something else" is something the other person came up with after I started attacking them for their blatant ignorance. When I first corrected them, their response was just to say "so what?" But there's no point in trying to reason with a BlueMAGA tribalist such as yourself.
I didn't read this but I feel that first line I accidentally read really hard. Get fucked, overconfident douchebag.
Glad we understand each other 👍
The Less You Know™
There's no reason to continue speaking. I know both that you are wrong, and that no matter what, you will ALWAYS invent some rationale to defend your tribe. What's the point of exchanging words and snipes?
And I know when someone points out your mistake, you're too goddamned stupid to either shut the goddamned fuck up or admit you were wrong. Which you were. Unequivocally. Then you thought you'd jack yourself off by changing the subject claiming you're so smart because you know adjacent facts to ops point. You might be the dumbest motherfucker on the platform. And I've blocked probably over 30 people I've thought that about.
Lmao "unequivocally," after doing absolutely nothing to establish how I'm wrong besides saying this frivolous nonsense about how the other poster "meant something else."
The only things that are "unequivocally wrong" are the initial post, the comment I replied to, and of course, yourself.
If I'm "the dumbest motherfucker on the platform," then what does it mean that I called out the errors in the OP that over 1300 people missed, and only 39 other people were able to identify?
Let me guess, OP "meant something else" too. Because you identify them as part of your tribe too, you'll look past all the inaccuracies in the post, you'll look past the fact that the person who wrote the tweet is a crypto grifter who has used the clout gained from bashing Trump on Twitter to promote crypto in association with far right groups, you'll look past everything, just so long as they show deference to the same gods and icons and cultural touchstones. Because fuck critical thinking, fuck independent thought, fuck reason or evidence, the important this is demonstrating loyalty.
This is the exact mentality that allows bullshit fake news stories to dominate right-wing spaces. The next time you wonder how they can believe what they do, how they don't see all the evidence to the contrary, just look in the mirror at how you respond to someone correcting objectively false garbage that supports your bias and preconceptions.
Tldr
Seriously my dude. No point in arguing with this person, it'll only wear you down.
I'm not even joking or exaggerating - look at their beautiful lemmy rep sheet, full of bans for the most braindead stuff - such as blatant trolling, genocide denial, spamming and misinformation - and starting not long after account creation. Truly a pitiful state of existence, and that's coming from me, a neurodivergent.
They're here only to vent rage on others for whatever straws they can grasp and spread around their own personal misery, nothing else. They get their dopamine fix from this.
Anyways, cheers and stay well!
Yeah, that's why I decided to lightly troll them. They're clearly just a pathetic prick and I was just poking a little fun at them :)
I'm very proud of that rep sheet, it's full some of my greatest hits, tyvm.
There might be one or two comments that were deserved, but the vast majority of the time, it's because I committed such crimes as, "asking for evidence instead of accepting claims blindly" or "winning an argument against a mod."
Unfortunately, this community generally follows a very low level of discourse, which is how things like OP are met with 1300 upvotes, and correcting people for getting things wrong is met with, "Ok? So what?" instead of, "Oh, my bad, thank you." Things like that do tend to make me lose a bit of respect for people.
Oh noes! However shall I live without your "respect", my dear anonymous paragon of righteousness? I depend on it like living creatures need water to stay alive! /s
Ironically for someone who claims to value respect to and by others you certainly didn't do much to garner any of it - which makes it quite hypocritical to expect others to assume mistakes they made on your mind only, while you yourself adamantly refuse to acknowledge your toxic attitude, and what you get wrong. Which to be clear, I don't mind at all, unlike you - how you choose to view the world and if you wanna live in self-delusion is entirely a you problem and does not affect my self worth in any way.
You don't have my respect either, for that matter. Now look at me, being a hypocrite just by replying to you after telling others to not bother with your sad excuse for an existence. Anyway, really moving on by blocking you this time since I'm not a source for your self-validation or dopamine needs, cheers.
Oh no! You mean some of the 1300 people who mindlessly upvoted this meme, displaying a complete lack of understanding of the situation in Syria that it was talking about, don't respect me? How can I live with myself?
I try to hold people to a higher standard of discourse, because I want to have intelligent, informed discussions. When people demonstrate that they're either incapable or unwilling to meet that standard, then what's the point of being nice and polite to them?
The reason I'm here, instead of just surrounding myself in a circlejerk of people who already agree with me, is that I want my views to be challenged. But my views are not challenged by meme-level takes and soundbites and knee-jerk responses with no interest in actually understanding the subject being discussed. Provide me with an actual challenge, and you'll find me to be the picture of civility. The problem is, no one can.
I'll own up to one thing, which is that I singled you out coming from a place of already being frustrated with the community for upvoting this garbage. The reason that that's so frustrating to me is that I consider it a moral obligation to take the time to understand a country's situation before supporting intervention in it (including sanctions). Failure to do so is the cause of a massive amount of pointless suffering in the world. But perhaps that frustration should have been directed more generally at the community.
If there was some kind of other interpretation to your comment than that you had replied thinking that this had something to do with the Qatar plane situation, then I apologize, but I still have no earthly idea what that alternate explanation is.
Cry harder
No, it'd be innocent Syrian people who would be doing the crying, if the sanctions were pointlessly prolonged, which 1400 people just mindlessly signed off on with zero understanding of their situation. Something that you mysteriously don't seem to mind at all.
All I'm doing is fulfilling my moral duty as a citizen of the empire by calling y'all out on it.
You did that one already.
It's always too long for you to read, because you don't have the capacity to understand anything that doesn't fit on bumper sticker.
Never heard that one before. "U don't waste ur time cuz ur stupid!!!1"
You "don't waste your time?" Then what are you doing right now, exchanging these quips?
Wasting yours. Notice how you're putting in 20 times the effort and I'm just rightfully calling you an asshole? ;)
Not generally something to brag about, but then, as a BlueMAGAt, reveling in ignorance and low-effort responses is pretty expected. Maybe you should just start changing "U-S-A" at me, wouldn't that be even less effort, and therefore better?
Writing a bunch of nonsense to prove you are supposedly superior isn't a thing to brag about. This has been lovely. Blocked.
It's insane the amount of comments about him accepting and making these bribes while the entire government for the last 50 years has been bought and sold with lobbyists and business owners. It is like he is the only one and not the entire Congress is behind this behaviour..
You are right. But here's the key difference:
A President enriching others who support him (as opposed to "doing what's best for the nation" generally speaking), while still wrong, is not the same as personally enriching himself and this blatantly. The US has always been like this and many would have loved to do what Trump is doing, but didn't dare go this far and so recklessly. Trump is merely a product of his country, and it kind of surprises me it took this long for someone like him to get his paws directly on this kind of power.
Instead of being a businessman currying favor with the President, he skips the middle man entirely and becomes President himself, to his own personal benefit.
But hasn't it been the case in many things that Trump just does more and more boastfully what others were doing before more quietly and slickly?
I mean, look at the Israeli Genocide, were Biden was actively supporting Israel with guns and ammo (including sending 2000lb bombs which even the US Military won't use "because they have a too large collateral") but decorating it all with a bit of Theatre ("we're talking to Israel about a cease fire"), or how students were already being violently suppressed by the police under Biden when they demonstrated against the Genocide, or the immigrant thing were Biden was already imprisoning and deporting the most immigrants ever (even than Trump's first term) including separating children from their parents but it was all done much more quietly, or, as others pointed out, the Democrats having been on the take as much as the Republicans (who can forget Hilary Clinton getting paid half a million dollars for a couple of hours work to go give a speech to some Goldman Sachs' traders just before the election, something which probably contributed to her loss), or the giant civil society surveillance apparatus as revealed by Snowden built-up and supported by both Republican and Democrat presidents.
In these kinds of things Trump pumped up the volume and tore down the curtains hiding what's going on in the backstage, whilst not really changing the nature of what is being done significantly, just doing more of it and being loudly about it rather than using some florid language to claim to be doing the opposite as the previous ones did.
America had already been moving towards full-blown Fascism before Trump (personally I saw the giant civil society surveillance apparatus as a massive red flag, as that's the kind of thing that Authoritarian regimes have, not Democracies),
For real.
But they did keep them straight, you're just misunderstanding their comment. It's a little complex but it's not unintelligible.
Their whole top comment is a non sequitor.
What are you on about? Are you just reading a word or two in these comments and arguing with the first thing you come up with? Because I don't see how else you could miss their intended point so hard.
It's a pro Trump .ml troll who goes into every thread and rants about liberals and Democrats.