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I agree with the sentiment being discussed here, but the argument being peddled isn't that they are too strong for sports, it's that they are too strong for womens sports, like women are so weak and their sports are a joke. The current right wing arseholes in the US are also claiming that women shouldn't be in the military. This nonsense is layers of bigotry deep.
You aren't really refuting the conundrum presented by the woman. She is pointing out the same thing you are, but I feel like you're not getting the point.
Trans women are too strong to be in women's sports, implying they are stronger than cis women. Yet simultaneously being told they are too weak to be in the army, something that they aren't even saying of cis women, implying that trans women are weaker than cis women.
The woman in the interview is correctly pointing out the hypocrisy here to highlight that it's not logical, it's just bigotry.
I feel like their hypocrisy and transphobia can be pointed out even simpler by:
"No!! You can't be in women's sports, because you are a man!!"
and
"No!! You can't be in the military, because you're not... a... man...?"
It’s like how Imane Khalif is a man because she has a vagina and higher testosterone levels, but I am not a man because I have a vagina and higher testosterone levels.
When you argue with TERFs, it’s very easy to get them to contradict themselves like this. It’s not a consistent ideology - it’s “ewww yucky trans people.” Which is why we have an epidemic of alt right weirdos who are all of a sudden very committed radical feminists (despite having basically no knowledge of radical feminist theory - if you press them, they’ll claim Andrea fucking Dworkin wasn’t a radical feminist because she wasn’t a TERF!)
You can’t expect what they say to make sense. It’s the game of the alt right - they don’t believe anything they say, they just know that people have to respond to their words and not the meaning.
Yeah this sums it up well
I mean I feel like it’s pretty easy to follow what they’re saying. There is a gradient between the 2 points. It’s not an on/off switch, it’s not binary. It’s why fascist logic is bullshit to begin with.
I don't think anyone is saying women's sports are a joke or that they are weak. There are undeniable differences in some sports between the top performers that correlate with gender. Hence for fair competition the genders of many sports are kept separate.
If someone is saying trans people are too strong for womens sport but too weak for the military then their opinions on women are pretty clear.
Are they? I don't know that anything about that statement is very clear at all other than whomever said it is pretty hardcore retarded.
I see you excel at logic and have a great set of morals. Keep at it bud.
*transpeople shouldn't be in the military.
Most people who require medication aren't allowed in the military. It makes logistics so much harder. This goes for those with severe allergies, diabetes, or any number of issues. There's a reason why MREs are super shelf stable, why most small arms use the same 5.56 round, why everything uses diesel, etc, etc. It's all to make logistics easier and better.
Hormones fall under the same category. What happens when a transman stops taking testosterone? What happens when a transwoman stops taking estrogen? The first thing a good enemy will do is cut off the logistics chain, and that would cripple anyone who needs meds.
Trans people stop taking hormones all of the time. There was recently a recall of testosterone gel due to contamination - there are definitely guys going without at this current moment.
It’s not like you have to keep taking hormones to keep being trans. If you are a trans guy and go off for a while, your periods might come back, which sucks. Over long periods of time, you’d have your fat and muscle redistribute.
It’s not like missing a shot or a pill kills you. I feel like garbage if I’m off, but I still function.
Lol, I'm currently active duty and prescribed four different daily medications for long term issues. None of this is disqualifying or prevents me from deploying. This is a complete non-issue outside of a FOB
Did you get waivers?
You could maybe make an argument that people on medication shouldn't be sent behind enemy lines. But you realize that's a tiny fraction of servicemembers, right? Most servicemembers are stationed within the country, and many more are stationed at bases in allied nations, where supply chain isn't at risk.
And... if there is a supply chain issue, they've got bigger problems, like food?
Source. That’s absolute horseshit. A source is a valid requirement here. It 100% depends on what’s needed.
https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html
Here you go
That is a list of disqualifying conditions. That doesn’t support what you said.
Where is “most”? Where is any metric?
What do a lot of those conditions have in common? Required daily medication.
Testosterone is often a once every other week, or once a week shot. Some people have pellets, which are implanted under the skin and last for months.
And again, it’s not “required.” There are trans people who never even take hormones.
Dude people with disabilities can serve ffs.
He doesn't care, dude is a straight up fascist.
He loves getting into arguments over minutue because it gives his ideas the legitimacy of being taken seriously.
He really just needs to fuck off back into the sewer with the rest of the scummy losers.
What happens? One thing that DOESN'T happen is that they would be unable to fight. Transmen might slowly lose some musculature, but they'd still perform about the same in combat, certainly for awhile. Transwomen might actually bulk up. And all of them would have an extra level of rage at the enemy to tap into. Your whole point is bogus.