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Are people not paying attention, or just love to blame Democrats? They’re not asking for compromises. They’re making clear demands and getting voted down. Most recently, the House Judiciary Committee voted on the deportations. Democrats insisted that citizens be exempt from deportation. Republicans voted them down. This is what happens when you have full Republican control of our government. Keep bitching about the minority party fighting for you, and this is here to stay.
You want fresh blood in the seats? Me too. Vote in the congressional midterm primaries next year. We all have a say in who sits in those seats, but only the elderly retirees show up for the vote.
100% of Dems voted in favor of Trump's first 2 picks for his cabinet, despite spending hours upon hours grilling them and talking about how unfit for the jobs they are.
It was only after they started getting outraged calls in the thousands per day compared to the usual 30 that they started voting against Trump's cabinet.
Look at Schumer and Pelosi. Or the party appointing a man practically on his deathbed over fresh blood to one of the most important positions in the party. A man who had to resign 4 months later, IIRC.
The Dems only offer up any real resistance when they're forced to by us. Otherwise, they vote no, voice a few complaints, and then go about their day like it's any other.
It’s our job to replace them in primaries if they don’t represent us. It’s also our job to inform them of our stance on issues, just as it’s their job to vote in line with those requests.
You just said they do their job, like it’s a bad thing. There are Republicans getting lambasted in town halls that go right back to DC and so whatever Trump wants. How is that the same to you?
You talk about blaming people but that's a waste of our time. We actually want to make things better in the future, and to do that you need to look at how we got to where we are, and it's clear that we got here by corporate Democrats caving to Republican and corporate interests. That's been going on for the past 30 years. Of course the Republicans are more to blame than the democrats, but if you can't recognize that the old Washington Democrats are largely worthless sandbags, then there's no way you're going to make things better in the future. They simply lack the values that we have, they don't actually want to make life better for the average American, and that's never going to change.
If you want to ask what more the Democrats can do, I think there are a ton of good examples. They can obstruct the process in so many ways, they can have independent press conferences, they can generate a ton of PR by creating videos for Facebook and YouTube and TikTok. They can go visit prisoners held in Central America. Just go look at what the active newer generation of Democrats are doing, go look at what Bernie Sanders does, and ask yourself why we don't have hundreds of people doing that every day. Quite simply, we don't see that in large numbers because most of those people have s***** values. Most of them are out to protect their own power and their own seat and that's it.
The Democrats had the power that Republicans have now only for two years in the last 30. The 111th Congress was the most productive Congress since the 89th. They’re not all good. Far from it. That’s what primaries are for. If people actually showed up and voted, we wouldn’t be here at all.
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Wouldn't it be nice if we had another FDR? A real firebrand, you know. Someone who actually wants to do something and isn't just filling a seat.
Executive orders are temporary measures. Biden spent his term on damage control, recovering from a pandemic and the damage Trump caused.
And they’ve been sitting on their hands for years even when they did have power. They routinely allow this shit to happen and it’s a little late to say them asking if maybe US citizens could be exempt shows how great they really are. Like, they should be demanding that any deportation needs far better scrutiny, and that would right there take care of the citizen part while also protecting so many others. It’s basically the meme we’re commenting on!
They aren’t protecting the US from shit, and it fucking shows. Your country is bad and you should feel bad, not be making excuses and complaining about Democrats not getting respect for unsuccessfully doing the bare minimum and then saying “guess that’s that.”
The only time in the last 30 years that Democrats had the same control that Republicans have now, was the 111th Congress. It was considered the most productive Congress since the 89th Congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress
Joe Biden took office directly after J6, allowed Garland to pull pud for four years, then got the biggest fucking stick an American president has ever gotten from the SC, and handed it to Trump.
I feel the Dems can take some blame.
Oh they’re far from ideal. They’re also far from the Republicans. Actively voting in congressional primaries is how we can make them into the opposition party we want.
To vote in a primary election, I would have to join one of the parties holding primaries. I would never join a party that supports fascism and genocide, which means no Democratic party and no Republican party. Joining one of those two is no different than signing up for the Nazi party or the KKK. I would never want to be associated with either party. If I ever join a party it will be the Green party.
You could use it to vote for Democrats not funded by AIPAC in the primaries.
I think you misunderstand. The majority of politicians in both parties fully support MAGA and Israel, though the Democrats perform a lot of theater about not liking MAGA while they vote in favor of MAGA every chance they get. The point is, before I would even consider joining the Democratic party, the party would have to abandon MAGA and AIPAC as a part of their platform. They would have to kick people out of the party for voting with Trump or taking money from AIPAC. Then I might join them.
We kick those people out, in the primaries. Congressional primaries get less than 20% attendance, most of whom are retirees. That’s why nothing changes.
You don't change Nazis by joining them, they change you.
You don’t join anything by registering to vote. You gain access to their primaries. I’ve changed my registration to Republican to vote in their primary before. It’s not a blood oath. It’s a tick box you can change as often as you’d like.
They just love to blame the democrats
Democrats should have demanded the removal of most of the republican party from office via the 14th amendment. Refuse to cooperate with this illegitimate government.
If republicans can do it as the minority. There’s no reason democrats can’t. McConnell was great at it. Just copy his playbook.
McConnell uses the filibuster, which the Senate could use to stop bills if any of these were bills passed in Congress. Unfortunately the only power they have against Trump’s executive orders is forcing a 15-day vote, which they’ve repeatedly done, while helping the ACLU bring these cases to the courts.
So what about 2021 - 2022, when the Dems had the Senate, the House and the Presidency? Where was the push to codify Roe v Wade? Why didn't they put Trump in prison, pending trial? There were dozens of things they could have done when they had power. The don't want to do any of the things they SAY they want to do. They want to ask for campaign donations to fight the MAGAs but they don't actually want to fight. They're scammers.
Voting isn't enough, a lot of us are going to have to start volunteering for Bernie Sanders and the DNC. Our Youth and the nonpartisans are lost and without direction moreso than previous generations.
There will never be enough fresh blood.
Even if the democrats were all progressives and had 100% of the entire government things are too fucked to be fixed before the collapse.
Also, I vote in every primary and they always lose. Turns out we’re just a conservative country.
Only 22% of the nation voted for Trump. Many of them already regret their votes. Trump won on the apathy of the majority. Defeatism is simply fuel for that fire.