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Only 22% of the nation voted for Trump. Many of them already regret their votes. Trump won on the apathy of the majority. Defeatism is simply fuel for that fire.
They won because the Biden admin was a dumpster fire.
How do you describe this administration?
It's certainly off to an authoritarian start with chaotic economic impacts. My politics are extremely anti-authoritarian so I'm not at all happy. I don't care as much about the stock market, I have zero investments. I do care about wages and the job market. But it's pretty early to really judge his term. I'd guess he'll lose his Senate majority in the midterms, maybe the House too. But what really matters is what people think 3.5 years in when they're looking at the next election. I'm actually in Ohio so I've had my eye on Vance for longer than most, and I don't like him at all. Will it be a dumpster fire then? Likely. That's where the whole world seems to be going anyway. But I can't predict the future.
Well then he’s gonna win again because most people are apathetic and this country is doomed.
Serves me right for trying to do the right thing.
Your name is "Doomergod". You're just spewing doom for lols.
What a jerk.
I wish this was for the lols but I’m legitimately hopeless. I keep looking for an argument that this hopelessness isn’t accurate but I just get the same platitudes.
I would argue total hopelessness is inaccurate because things can change in ways we don't anticipate. The US will collapse as all empires have, and the world will become a better place, but it will be a rough transition and things will get extra fucked as climate change worsens. Many more people are working to make things better for each other than there are people working to fuck us over, they are just better organized right now.
But anyway the level of hope you feel is more likely to be dictated by whatever material reality you are experiencing. If you are actually looking for a logical argument against hopelessness in an effort to reduce it there are better ways.
This is what it has been my entire life. Since 2001 the world has been on a cyclical descent into ruin, missing every chance it had to do something, failing at ever call to action.
My personal reality is pretty awesome, though. I just want to keep them safe from the rest of the species as it descends into barbarism.
Spreading apathy through pessimistic defeatism is the right thing? In that case, I’d rather be wrong.
We got here through division and disengagement. Only unity and action will get us out.
I’ve been engaged for 25 years and we still got here anyway.
Do you think fighting evil is an overnight thing?
25 years is hardly “overnight”
The Nazis rose to power and were defeated in less time.
Someone doesn't know their history.
The nazi party was started in 1919. And they lasted until 1945. Which is a total of.... 26 years!
And that was with the special situation they had where Germany got blamed for all after ww1 essentially giving them way more power quicker.
But then when they failed on a global scale, the idealogy didn't die, as we can tell from the actual nazis still parading around today. And while they were scheming in the background they took note on what not to do again. Everything else has advanced and gotten smarter, why would you think the evil side hasn't done the same thing?
I was counting from the time Hitler took office in 1933.
But you can miss me with this Sisyphean struggle shit. I want to enjoy life and not spend it being frustrated, defeated, and harassed.
I like problems that can be solved. Which is why I hate people. By your measure we’ve been fighting evil since agriculture taught us the word “mine.”
Well it's easy to be right of you just move the goalposts to wherever you kick the ball. Good job.
You act like you're the only one who wants to be happy. All of us want be happy you dunce. I'll be a lot happier when innocent people aren't beaten, taken advantage of, blamed for everything, and given no help.
And yes. Fighting evil is an everlong battle. We just so happen to be living in a time where it's rearing up to an extent we haven't seen for a bit. And its harder this time since theyre more prepared and have been laying the ground work for the past 50 years
And I’ve been sounding the alarm and voting and donating and phone banking and advocating and writing my representatives for half that time and I’m sick of it.
It’s y’all’s turn now. I’m done trying to keep this shithole country on a shithole planet covered with shitty apes from destroying itself.
Yup, again its all about you and your feelings. The rest of us are super full of energy and just as excited to keep up the fight. And we definitely have more energy and faith after fighting with you throughout this whole thread! /s
Good riddance and stop bothering everyone with your negative bullshit. You say you hate people but you keep answering to everyone so try to bring thier spirits down. Just leave and go be the downer loner you wanna be
I’m just gonna block this entire community of Pollyannas who think holding a sign or calling a phone number is “fighting”
You don't have to announce your every move.
You can just leave
You think a constant stream of pessimism is engaging others? C’mon. You know what you’re doing.
I have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
The alternative is me drinking or shouting at traffic at it whizzes by.
Convince me there is literally any hope at all and I might stop.
Or just block me. I don't care anymore.
Not a chance. I’ll always be right here, to combat your cynicism with actionable criticism for improvement.
Fire away then. Make me believe we are not totally fucked
No offense, but I’m not trying to change your mind. I’ve been convinced you’re pretty content in your perspective for quite some time now. It’s about how your words influence others that concerns me. Most people are passively informed. If all they hear is Democrats are useless, they’re less likely to believe voting matters.
Didn’t think so. That’s how fucked we are. I’ve been trying to find a way out for months.
And if the democrats don’t want people to think they’re useless they should stop being so fucking useless.
What else should they do?
It's cute you think our fuckededness is just a matter of politics. We've painted our entire species into so many corners we have to be living in 11 dimensional space to hold them all.
And the worst part isn't the problems, it's that all the tools we have to fix the problems are broken and/or insufficient to solve them.
We are fucked on a global scale and there is no way out.
As for what the Democrats could do: Maybe don't schedule a vote for when a Senator isn't going to be around, and then don't call losing said vote a "win."
They’ll lose any simple majority votes in full attendance. They’ve only shut down supermajority votes, like the SAVE Act on Friday.
I agree the planet is fucked, and humanity’s demise is a question of when and how, and certainly not if. I don’t see a vote, a violent revolution, or quiet subservience changing that.
And now you're just as hopeless as I am. All this talk of politics is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Nah. I’m aware of ways we can slow the sinking and make for less suffering along the way. You can worry about deck chairs. Lol
Again: The tools we have to slow the sinking and limit suffering have been failing me my entire life, and that failure is accelerating.
You're wasting your time trying to bail with a dixie cup.