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I don't think it ever went away, it's been a chud golden age since roughly 2012 when they found their golden goose with crusading against "tumblr misandrists". Arguably, we need to find the right's weakest link. Something to attack that isn't too controversial to dislike, and then strawman the right to all endorse the exaggeration of that worst thing.
In Canada and Europe, I would guess leftists could get a lot of mileage out of "what are we, a bunch of ignorant Americans?" and just paint chuddery as this American contamination. There's very little Americans in Europe to defend themselves offline, and it plays a bit into their ego.
EDIT: I am not denying that Europe has its own assholery, but it's moreso playing into people's ego as a possible 'weak point', even if it's not entirely true.
The right's weakest link was found, bizarrely enough, by the Democrats. Calling them weird. But of course, they couldn't keep using that...
Everything they do is so fucking weird. Sperm racing?
i miss when they thought IVF kids wouldn't have souls.
Pardon?
it's a new weird thing they're doing
Uhhh... what is that?
I know people with actual cum fetishes who think about sperm less than these weirdos.
https://www.spermracing.com/
First match this Friday, anyone wanna do a watch party?
Edit: Not that I'm trying to argue against the angle of chuddery being "[Septic] contamination", cause like the worst people I've ever met in Norway all got their ideas from like Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro, and most of the neo-Nazi stickers I've had the displeasure of seeing have been in fact in English. There is certainly a lot of "home-grown" chuddery as well — that's a point we have to be very careful with — but it should not be understated how much of the chuddery we see today is a cultural import. It's like I've said, under English-language hegemony, fascism no longer needs translators.
Oh yeah, good point. You could do a whole college course on all the bad things France did without neither America nor Britain's "help". Japan and Saudi Arabia too if you want to cut out the west entirely.
But the reason I frame it as this is to play into people's ego. "We are doing this wrong thing to minorities" makes them defensive but "Americans are influencing us to be dumb and cringe like them. We're [X]! We're better than this!" is an easier sell.
Is an easier sell necessarily a good thing, though? If you're only immunizing people against the form but not the content, you know...
this is where I land because hey, if it works then it works, but i do think there's a fine line between something being 'imported' and something from abroad speaking to what was already there. like, us american culture wars aren't transported to and imposed upon europe, they're just bombastically repackaged versions of things that already existed throughout "the west" ( to include Japan) which are eagerly adopted by sympathetic ears. an easy example from br*tish culture would be the institutional transphobia there which has its own roots in cultural mores and academic terfery and while it interplays and accepts influence from outside, the outside is speaking to what was already inside. the attitude and tone are deeply influenced by what's happening in the us (because it's essentially the front lines of these culture wars) but the content isn't new to europeans in any but the most superficial lenses.
basically i would never say it's a bad idea to blame america because everyone should, but being mindful that what america has done has been enthusiastically aided and abetted by the west for their own benefit and only after effectively handing off the mask of chief exploiter from themselves to the us so that they could continue to benefit under better branding. that these ideas and concepts have always had eager adherents throughout the west and the combative nature of the amerikkkan version is appealing because of these underpinnings.
Very well said.
Probably not, but if I’m just talking out of my ass here then disregard this, I’m not a professional in the slightest like PSL is.
My thoughts are that we’re not going into the nitty-gritty at the first step, and starting with how THEY’RE getting hurt. Again, if this is bad practice let me know pls.
Seeing a RETVRN TO TRADITION sticker in small town Poland was very funny.
Imagine seeing one in Italy lol
And that home grown chuddery can also be framed as American influence with a thin coat of local paint over it.
To be extremely reductionist, they kinda posted themselves into the white house twice
Funny enough, that used to be the attitude in New Zealand. At least I remember it was the attitude of the adults around me when I was like 7. Then 9/11 happened and melted their brains.
Many such cases
The anti-American stuff used to be popular around 2014 in Europe - since then, liberals love America and even though they dislike Trump, he's seen as the lesser evil.
I hate how well this could work, the largest (only?) pillar of Canadian "identity" is not being American, just look at how riled up people got with the 51st state rhetoric
Why hate it? I’m actually a little optimistic that social reactionaries can be defanged and marginalized groups made safer through anti-American xenophobia.
Maybe hate wasn't the best word to use there, I can't say I'm upset about more people being anti-american. Normally my anti-american stance gets a lot of pushback from people so it's been nice to have people agree that America sucks.
I am frustrated that the people around me didn't/don't care about all the objectively evil shit the amerikkkan empire has done all over the globe, but the second there's the slightest hint of amerikkka bringing that evil to them they're up in arms. They have no problem with benefiting from being a lapdog of empire, they only oppose it being aimed at them.
I would frame it as a cultural invasion of American idiocy.
I’ve been somewhat tongue-in-cheek about it, but I welcome Europe leaving America “holding the bag” for lack of a better term.
That would probably work for the uneducated. Anyone who has read Plato though will know that shit is homegrown, flown the coup, and come back to roost for Europe.