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And his mom is a police officer.
And he used one of her unsecured guns.
In a system where we want to discourage this we need to hold the parents accountable.
I think a life sentence for each life her son took is fair, for her and her son.
irresponsible gun owning parents, who literally put firearms into the hands of their homicidal children, need to be held accountable for these tragedies.
dozens of mass shootings in recent years, especially school shootings, were absolutely preventable. if only these fucking lazy stupid ass adults would stop fetishizing guns for 2 seconds, long enough to store their weapons securely like a sane responsible person. or they could, idk, maybe steer their mentally disturbed crotch goblin towards a more pro-social, harmless activity?
firearm ownership is a responsibility too few take seriously.
Maybe just less guns?
No. We've been having too many random fires lately. The obvious answer is MORE FLAMETHROWERS! Yeah! That'll fix all the fires!
Fight fire with fire! That'll surely work.
This is kind of a bad example because, rhetoric aside, in various situations you can fight fire with fire and in fact it's the best way to do it. I.e. controlled burns of areas subject to wildfires are used to lessen the amount of tinder lying around the place that could later go up in an uncontrolled manner. You can also put out an oil well fire by blowing the flame out with dynamite.
So to stretch the analogy further, maybe we ought to start focusing on what (who) ought to be controlled burned.
Very good points. I didn't know about the oil dynamite thing. Interesting. My previous comment was also slightly sarcastic. Just going along with the post I was responding to haha.
That last sentence though, agreed. (I'm also not an American, so there's less guns where I'm from).
The analogy of controllably burning the right people seems an effective way to restore the democratic order (although it could also be used to tighten the fascist grip I guess).
Maybe more dynamite actually is the way. Ukraine uses IEDs in mailboxes to take down important people in Moscow for example.
Not a fan of Luigi's violent means, but maybe we (or actually they since I'm also not American) have start fighting fire with fire.
The NRA has entered the chat.
Why not life sentences for grand parents too? Uncles and aunts? Doctors, teachers..
If a gun owner’s gun is used in a murder, the owner should be charged with second-degree murder, full stop. When you own a gun, it is your responsibility to keep and secure it properly. I don’t care if it’s stolen or whatever, that gun is ultimately the responsibility of the owner. That’s the social contract when acquiring a device whose sole purpose is to kill.
I think stolen is too far as long as the gun owner acts responsibly following the theft and reports it to the police but otherwise, I completely agree. Owning a gun should come with personal accountability for that gun.
If the gun owner did not properly secure the weapon, and this led to theft, they should definitively be held responsible. In some areas in the US, when you steal a car, you get a free firearms collection with it.
Guy I grew up with had his truck broken into outside a hotel a couple years ago. They stole a bunch of his tools from the cab and tool box in the bed but left a pistol that was sitting on his passenger seat, another one that was sitting on the case of his diagnostics tool that was sitting on top of his center console, which they stole, along with the ammo and a rifle he had in the toolbox in the bed of his truck. I agree storing shit like that is irresponsible and should also be met with consequences, although some establishments you can’t take a gun into so having it cleared and in a locked gun case in the vehicle I believe to be a reasonable measure. Only reason I can imagine they left all his guns and ammo behind is that there must be more significant charges and/or investigative resources that go into a situation where firearms are involved where he lives.
In my country, burglers usually avoid stealing weapons. If you break in and steal some money or jewelry, your case comes into the pile with the others. If you steal firearms on top of it, your case is put on the top of the stack with a bunch more people assigned to it.
But your case just proves it: American gun owners are rather neglient when it comes to securing their weapons. Most likely because the both the training and requirements as well as the question on responsibility is basically just not there.
In some countries, if you own a firearm and it gets stolen or lost, or someone else takes it, you simply lose your licence or ownership permit.
I'm sorry context is such an issue for you
It must be hard