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We knew they wanted to go in a fascist direction, but I doubt many of us imagined they'd have the concentration camps up and running within three months. Bukele says he won't return anyone, even if innocent, from this prison in El Salvador, and the director of the prison says that no one who goes in will ever return to their community. So how do you keep shipping prisoners into a camp without any of them coming out, and without the camp filling up? Maybe we're further along with the Nazi program than most people realize.
We're on pace with Nazi Germany. If you use that as a template you'll expect:
Now a lot can change between now and then and Trump isn't a young guy, but that's the blueprint to watch.
You want to talk about concentration camps? We're already expanding our own Black Site.
America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. The average maximum security prison holds 800-1200 prisoners. The largest, Angola, LA, holds over 8000.
Our most famous black site, Guantanamo Bay, located in CUBA (WTF?), currently holds about 120, but that's about to change. HitlerPig has already signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 billion contract has been awarded. This will be in a remote corner of an island controlled by a hostile enemy, far out of the prying view of the courts, or the media. Anything could happen there, and nobody at home would ever known about it.
So they are now building a facility there, that will hold 30,000 prisoners. That's nearly 4 times our largest prison, which is already about 8 times larger than average. Clearly, they are intending to incarcerate far many people that they already do. I wonder who those people will be?
Perhaps the most worrisome piece of news is this: It is expected to be finished in 2030. Why would HitlerPig commit to such a facility if he wasnt going to be able to use it? Perhaps he expects to still be in power in 2030.
Uh, weren't y'all supposed to pull OUT of Gitmo?
What a timeline to be in that our best hope is that it's just another way to funnel money to his cronies
It's not like Democrats couldn't find a use for a 30,000 bed detention facility. Anyway, of course Trump is going for a third term.
We're much further ahead than them. Unlike Nazi Germany we're already the world's undisputed hegemon and all of the world's most advanced economies are aligned w us.
Even though some are starting to learn to regret it; they're still more skeptical of China or Russia than they are of us and our military presence within their borders and their dependence on our financial system ensures that they won't stray unless the bombs literally start flying and, by then, it'll be too late.
Yeah obviously there are differences between 1933 Germany and 2025 USA, but it still takes time to do everything. Our hegemony is deteriorating, and the way I see it that's more important for global reaction speed than internal change speed.
No one currently gives enough of a shit about owning Greenland to want to invade it. The draft is key and I don't think you'll see that until after the mid-terms due to the backlash. That would put us right on the above pace.
But this is all really speculative and I don't have any particular insight or educational focus on Nazi Germany. I just grew up in the wake of it, my grandfather having fought in the pacific theater.
There are certainly better prognosticators than me to listen to, but at the end of the day it's all guesswork.
our system has created enough mass desperation for force people to chose military service rather than living a future of destitution and that guarantees that we will never have another draft.
There is currently a recruiting crisis in 3/4 of the branches. A draft will be absolutely necessary to go to war.
oic, you're thinking that ww3 will need to happen for the united states to take over, but the united states is already in charge and the only ww3 we might have is w china.
Did you account for how much faster everything is happening? He's only been in office for nearly three months.
He was on pace for concentration camps, within a few days. He's moving fast but it takes time to drag a nation to war. We have time to oppose him. We have time for him to choke on a hamberder. With each passing day things get worse, but at what point will we collectively go further than protest? Things have to get really bad before that reaches critical mass.
What a fucking mess we've created. You know who I always wonder about? Whatever happened to the Germans who voted for Hitler? At what point did they regret it? When he turned into a madman? Or not until the Soviet and western tanks rolled into town?
Because until Trump voters start realizing what they've unleashed and start trying to take it back, nothing will stop him. So what's the German blueprint for that? I don't know.
Robert Evans had an episode of Behind the Bastards about the little Nazis. The middle class shopkeepers and middle managers that weren't top level but were in the party.
Most of them never admitted it was a mistake to support Hitler.
To know all of that and to think, "that's fine."
It's a kind of mundane evil I can't comprehend.
The idea that this country will burn to ash and so many people will tell themselves at least a black woman wasn't President. At least those filthy immigrants were sent to Salvadoran death camps. Too bad about my children, my business, my home, but we did the right thing. How can you look at all that and not at least think, maybe it wasn't worth it? Maybe we'd all have been better off another way?
Fuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free
That's unbelievably disappointing.
Nazis always gonna nazi. It should be regarded as a mental illness.
People who are ill deserve compassion. Nazis deserve a mass grave.
No. No I’m not allowing “I doubt many people knew this would happen” no. Plenty of us did nothing but scream for decades. You shooed us away. You sided with them because we were inconvenient to you.
You're saying "you" to the people that were shouting it. You're shouting into an echo chamber. Maybe go say it to them
I mean even people who were screaming didn't think American democracy would start falling this quickly. I mean did you expect him to start arresting dissenters within a month and a half of his inauguration?
Actually, yes. Absolutely. I read portions of P2025. I expected the insurrection act and martial law to happen by now, though. Not sure why it didn't occur after the Hands Off demonstrations, except perhaps it would have meant more publicity and lent credibility to the opposition, which seems to have been intentionally ignored and marginalized by major media so far.
This is one of the things bothering me the most. Yeah yeah owned by billionaires who support Trump. But this is our media, it's one of the things I grew up being taught helped preserve our democracy.
And yet they spent years sanewashing Trump and are now failing to adequately cover the resistance to Trump.
Are those principled folks who resigned publicly the only ones who remember why they are here?
Capitalism ruined our media
Trump is a drama factory. Drama makes clickable headlines and glues eyes to screens. Trump is good for the business interests of news.
Yes. I don't believe much of anything he says, but "dictator on day one" was very obviously his real plan.
The timeline of the Nazi takeover is public and very clear. The project 2025 details were public and very clear. It was more of a "I didn't want to believe it" and not "who could have known" thing. Which is understandable but clearly not the same.
Yeah straight up assumed this was going to happen pretty much as it has been, I'm not even a yank and this was so so very obviously going to be the outcome.....
Speak for yourself
Some of are still screaming and being unheard.
Even critical observers underestimated the speed and scope of the Trumpist assault, they overestimated democratic resilience. What is America now, and what comes next?
I will say, even despite me being the one constantly yelling about the incoming american fascism, I also though it'd take at least a little longer
But here we are, with most institutions and companies just rolling over. Sure, I figured it would happen, but I at least thought it'd take more than a year. Not.. 3 months
It's.. I lack words, even. This is straight up nazi Germany, except we have the hindsight of history, and yet it's still all for naught. Incredibly incredibly scary
Have you ever watched the movie Conspiracy depicting the Wannsee Conference? Things happen pretty quickly when bureaucrats are aligned and motivated. Suddenly they find a way to become organized beyond anyone's wildest dreams.
wtf has everyone been doing the last decade to not see this coming
Dividing themselves on social media, arguing in echo chambers about identity politics, watching ever more violent professionally-filmed acclaimed series about intrigue, betrayals, power struggle, and post-apocalyptic dystopias. They've been watching an ungodly number of movies about superheroes and supervillains violently duking it out while the weak, passive, and powerless population watches helplessly...and the good guys usually win, leading the normies into a false sense of security that some higher power always watches over them and comes to their rescue.
Many have been watching 24/7 Faux Noose and OAN and allowed the televised onslaught of rhetoric to brainwash them into becoming party line repeating stations. The so-called second amendment advocates mostly seem to be in this camp (ironically, the camp that also seems to value the rise of tyranny, despite their claims of the 2A being an insurance policy).
Meanwhile, their opposition has been watching, waiting, and hoping the rule of law will hold the guilty accountable and restore that which is good for society, as they see it (i.e. rule of law being the omnipotent superhero). They feel dispassionate about most of 'their' political candidates, which aren't all that rousing (minus a handful of the more passionate and competent with social media ones, which aren't favorites of the DNC). There are many, many interest groups trapped in a competitive race to the bottom hoping to appear the most vulnerable, in-need, and important so as to receive the most attention and subsidies/grants/benefits.
Meanwhile, follow the money- corporate America wants fewer regulations and the ability to exploit labor as much as it can to maximize majority shareholder wealth.
And then there's the foreign influence from powerful countries who would love to watch America collapse...
I don't agree with your view of superheros. I think they work as a metaphor of any person brave enough to stand up to evil. People never imagine they are the powerless population. The films focus on the heros and people personify with them - it's inspirational. There has also been a big stress on heros needing to team up lately. The movies did nothing wrong. I agree with everything else though.
Super heroes are an individualist power fantasy. In the real world , real power comes from groups and collective action. Super hero stories imagine a world where the power to do good resides in the individual.
I believe it's a reaction to our powerlessness in the face of things like this.
But even to take action in a group, you have to make the individual decision to join. You have to chose for yourself, which takes individual bravery, because even if you're part of a group, the responsibility and potential repercussions will be yours to deal with. A group always consists of individual people. I read superhero stories as stories about finding the bravery in yourself (the superpower) to go and join the good cause despite the terrible danger.
I agree with what you're saying, philosophically. A group is just a framework we put around individuals. That's how it works in the real world.
But the idea of being able to have an impact on my own has a special appeal for me personally. It's not a practical thing, which is why it's escapism.
You can have impact personally. That's why many people hesitate to join a group and actually do something - they don't understand only if they are personally active they can matter. Not doing anything because a person feels like activity is not realistic makes people resigned and idle.
Edit: I do understand your feeling of needing to have an impact. It's important to understand what kind of activity is worth devoting ones self to. I personally feel motivated to be active when I watch superhero movies, so I guess it can have different effects on different people. As always, things are not black and white.
I think superhero movies, as well all the many movies where a team of misfits overcome their difficulties to save the day when the USA faces disaster, are just American self-mythologizing. Americans like stories that show how deep down they are strong and sensible and when the chips are down they come together as a team to take care of the world, but in reality they're not that at all. The problem is they believe their own myths.
My question was rhetorical but yeah, magats are fucking losers and the dnc is fucking impotent
eating mcdonalds and watching tv
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
Telling people not to let the Republicans get the trifecta?
That's really all that needed to happen.
I’m referring more to the people who are taken by surprise that all this is happening like in the headline
No, not quite "won't return anyone even if they're innocent". It's more old-school witch hunt circular logic than that. It's "if they're in the prison, it's because they're a terrorist, and I will never let a terrorist free".