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What are the chuds not saying out loud about these tariffs? (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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And I’m not talking about the ones in power, more the rank and file.

I speculated this wrecking ball approach to the US economy was an attempt to destabilize the world and marshall the forces of violent fascism, and make the battle for hegemony one of attrition since the Us no longer sees itself capable of competing with China’s manufacturing capabilities.

So, like, what does the average Joe think? That while everything around him comes crumbling down, all the trans and blacks will at least be put in their place?

I’m wondering if the debate around the seemingly confusing motivations are due to…too much of a materialist approach? I think it’s either that or absolutism when it comes to the dialectic and taking these thoughts to their logical conclusions

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tell them to just tank their economies and ruin their capitalist class and that speech switches to the importance of nationalism and self-sufficiency in a heartbeat.

They can and are switching to talk of nationalism and self-sufficiency. They don't have the slightest ability to back it up at all. And experience shows that Trump gets what he wants while liberals and Europeans fold like paper, because neither of them are willing or capable of building the infrastructure necessary to actually be self sufficient and fight against Trump's erratic bullying. There is a very real possibility that America plaza accords the EU because just like Japan, a vassal state does not have the right to pursue a genuinely nationalistic path (not that I would prefer European nationalism).

In fact, if the EU wanted to pursue actual self sufficiency, they would have started 10 years ago, abandoned neoliberalism and implemented a comprehensive industrial policy (while developing European alternatives to American tech). Instead, we are seeing a wide spread austerity and de-industrialization program unprecedented since the thatcherism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And experience shows that Trump gets what he wants while liberals and Europeans fold like paper

This is just not true at all though. Biden and Obama were both much better at getting Europe to do what they wanted than Trump during his first term. When has Trump being some geo-political mastermind able to bully other countries into submission been anything but a conservative fantasy? He is not even going to get Canada to play ball, let alone all of Europe.

To say that they don't have the ability to resist just giving away their industries is bizzare. You would have to give them genuinely zero other options to survive first, and while Europe is stagnant like most first-world economies, it's still an obscenely wealthy and un-proportionally influential region of the world. It's facing slow economic decline, but it's not in any danger of collapsing anytime soon. To say otherwise just feels like wishful thinking.

Europe is going to decline, that's basically certain, and their relationship with the US souring is going to be a part of that. But it will be slow, as more and more thirld-word countries rise out of poverty and are able to push Europe out of its unique position on the global stage. It's not going to be because they give away all their shit to the US because they couldn't resist Trump's secret genius.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

When has Trump being some geo-political mastermind able to bully other countries into submission been anything but a conservative fantasy?

You don't have to be a geo-political genius to do anything if this. Trump's strategies are crude, but they work because the Europeans are vassals of America.

To say that they don’t have the ability to resist just giving away their industries is bizzare.

It's not as if they are going to airlift their factories and plop them onto America. However, Europeans are panicking over these tariffs and are even trying turn towards china to get access to markers. If Europeans fail to gain Chinese favor, their industrial decline will further accelerate and American capital will be rid of a competitor capital. It could then expand even further into Europe (American FDI is already 1/3rd the size of the European stock market).

but it’s not in any danger of collapsing anytime soon. To say otherwise just feels like wishful thinking.

I would respectfully disagree. The foundations of the EU have been rapidly rotting ever since covid (and were slowly rotting since the GFC). After the crises in 2008, 2014, then 2020, then 2022 (ukraine and nordstream), there are only so many shocks that the EU can take before the populists dismantle it.